Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nimrod Kamer

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Woohookitty 00:30, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nimrod Kamer

This is a self-promoting article. This person has no true significance, he has been deleted from the Hebrew wikipedia as well. Delete DMTsurel 13:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC) keep: I am in love with this man... even more now that I read his article. bryony "the american"

• Keep: Nimrod/Captain Sudoku is a visual genius. He's the only reason why switzerland should exist. So let's wear left side earing and eat chocolate watches. Chenard Walcker
• Keep: Every article about a living human can be seen as self-promotional. Check out Jimmy_Wales for a vivid example. Mr. Kamer's entry can be viewed (as almost everything that he does) as Pastiche. Free_Speech is not always a pretty thing, but to quote Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Don't lose sight of the basics. 212.179.235.247 10:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)dormin
• Keep: this person is important, check the statistics on the amount of times that his name was searched. And also- keep him because he is the frist proffesional teacher for sudoku in the world, as you can see in this report from haaretz newspaper in english. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.64.165.253 (talk • contribs) 12:02, 2 August 2005.
• Delete, non-notable. Nandesuka 12:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• International vanity. Delete thank you. Agentsoo 16:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Gilgamesh he 16:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: Don't let them assassinate this brilliant creator.Mr.ShemTov 15:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Ches88 16:46, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. Winning a prize at a student competition in a non-signifcant college does not warrant an article. The writer is seeking on-line publicity, as shown by Ma'ariv NRG's article on the person; gaining his fifteen minutes talking about the deleteion of his Hebrew Wikipedia article. --Jill St. Crux 19:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as vanity. Hall Monitor 20:20, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity — Linnwood ^(talk) 23:16, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn vanity. --Etacar11 00:00, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN/vanity. --Ragib 00:49, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep He succeeds to parodies the sys so well. Ohad 05:25, 3 August 2005 (UTC) (No such user, vote actually by 217.132.143.139 (talk • contribs), user's first edit)
• Delete (I'm a user of the Hebrew Wiki, Not registered to the English one)
• Keep an alternative political director, who got a retrospective this month, articles in Haaretz weekly magazine, won the "Max Stern" Prize. The reasons to erase its name are cultural-political.
• Keep: from what ive read, mr. nimrod is an underground artist trying to uplift his head upground. he is famous in quite a few circles and absolutely deserves to be notable. he is a beginner reactioner who will definetly set the israeli art\film tone in the next years. keep him

"set the tone" LOL. I'm gonna be prime minister of Israel when I grow up, so what? Yonidebest 19:49, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

• Strong keep: this guy has had plenty of genuine, mainstream media coverage...the fact that he appears to be editing his own article presents special issues for Wikipedia to grapple with, but it is not reason for deleting the article altogether. I think this VfD is very ill-advised. Babajobu 11:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. International vanity, and note above that a claimed "user of the Hebrew Wiki" doesn't seem to think he's notable. Ken 13:46, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Clearly many users of the Hebrew wiki don't think he's notable, considering his article was deleted from it. Ironically, though, this produced an article in Ma'ariv, a mainstream Israeli newspaper, discussing Kamer's wikipedia crusade and defeat. And that just adds to his notability, along with the articles in Ha'aretz and elsewhere on his Sudoku program. Babajobu 13:53, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I would like to note that most of the voters for keeping this article are clearly sockpuppets. DMTsurel 13:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

You put that remark after my comment. Am I a sockpuppet? I have over 1500 edits and think this article should be kept. Deal with it. Babajobu 14:06, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

"Deal with it"? Excuse me, mr. Babajobu, but it seems to me that you are unaware of this guys' true nature. you come to contradict me and others who have live in Israel all their lives and who know who is important in the Israeli calture and who is a no-good. So this guy had a side article in a main paper in Israel, the almost-most small country in the world. So he's directed a few unknown Israeli movies.. So what? This is an encyclopedia, and only the people who are of some kind of real influence should be in it. Something that seems to be getting out of this English Wiki's control. Soon you'll be editing the history of unknown starving people on Africa. Like I said below, If he's in, I'm in, and probably you can get in too. Yonidebest 20:08, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I am sorry if you thought I was talking to you. I meant almost all the other votes except you, such as 212.179.235.247, 85.64.165.253, the unsigned ones, etc. DMTsurel 20:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete : This is an encyclopedia. not the whitebooks.. Dan, Israel.
• Keep: U should know what he is thinking. Veronika czech rep.
• Delete: A man of no importance SHASHAZ 19:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: This guy, Nimrod Kamer, is, in fact, a no-body in Israel. This guy is only trying to make "his mark" in history. If he get's voted in, we all should be voted in. By the way, this guy opened an artical in the Hebrew Wikipedia, which was deleted at once. Yonidebest 19:40, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: nimrod is just great, he'll get in here anyway sooner or later, so dont waste your time trying to keep him out. RubenKruger 23:57, 3. August 2005
• Delete the vote just above this one is a good enough reason for me to vote delete. (Although the other reasons help.) JesseW 02:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I really feel that this VfD is a mistake. All these folks from the Hebrew Vikipedia have descended on this Vfd to oust the Nimrod Kamer article. I don't know why they dislike him so strongly, but clearly they think he is a nogoodnik. The Hebrew wikipedia must have different standards for notability than the English wikipedia. Somebody who has been profiled in multiple mainstream media newspapers and who is the world's very first professional Sudoku teacher should really be a shoo-in for a Wikipedia entry. It looks like Kamer is going to lose this VfD, and I think that's a shame and a mistake. Babajobu 08:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep: he did an amazingly great work in an international art exhibition in Tel Aviv last november (georg). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.178.17.186 (talk • contribs) 08:43, 4 August 2005.

People voting here may also be interested in this DMTsurel 20:42, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete As stated he's not significant and its a vanity article. In fact its a somewhat borderline case, but I think especially the fact that he's unrelated to any larger context in a meaningful way is important. If his film style fits into a given school, put his name and a link on that page. Likewise one the sudoku page, if the editors there think its warranted. 149.217.50.205 10:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn vanity. JamesBurns 03:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete vanity indeed. Omer Enbar 18:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

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