Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New California Republic

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 11:44, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New California Republic

Per WP:NOT: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The thought of how California might be called if it ever was to become independent is very interesting and entertaining, but imo it is not Wikipedia material. It would in my view only become Wikipedia material if a group was to declare Californian independence under that name. Aecis 20:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC) PS. There is a seemingly notable organization called New California Republic

• Delete - The fact this group "New California Republic" has a web site, doesn't make them notable. Most obscure fringe groups have web sites. Also, not that it matters, but the above web site, seems to propose something different than the article (e.g. a country made only of the US state). However, I only gave it a short read, and can't tell. It really doesn't matter. --rob 22:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete; Aecis' first idea was right. There are exceptions to the crystal ball policy, in particular when the event will almost surely take place or when the proposal is really notable. This seems not to be the case, however. A search for “link:www.newcaliforniarepublic.org” on Google returned that only 27 pages link the web site of the organization (including the pages in the site). I do not especially trust Google for establishing notability in general, but in this case I think it's fairly accurate. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 00:01, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: WP is not a crystal ball, but there has been enough talk about California secession/division that this may well rank its own article. - Sensor 00:43, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment an article about a current and notable controversy is perfectly fine. In this case, the article should be named Controversy on California secession or something similar, and contain information about the controversy (who proposed separation, etc.). In this particular case, I have some doubts about the notability of such a controversy. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 14:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless someone provides good, solid, verifiable evidence that the phrase "New California Republic" is in genuine, widespread use in California and not just promotion for a website. I am very skeptical (hence my provisional "delete") because the article conspicuously fails to cite any references and because Googling on exact phrase "New California Republic" gives unimpressive results. The serious prospect of a "New California Republic" would be of national concern, so I think it is also revelant that an online search of The New York Times from 2000-present yields no occurrences of the exact phrase "New California Republic." Dpbsmith (talk) 19:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.