Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neely Fuller Jr.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neely Fuller Jr.

Non-notable person, non-verifiable. Delete.See WP:NN, WP:V Cognos 18:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. NawlinWiki 18:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable theorist for Afro-American studies/politics. True, his 500-odd google hit result is mainly from independent media/amateur afro-american radical websites and so on[1]. Only 7 hits on a Google Books[2]. Only 3 hits on Google Scholar[3]. He also only gets 8 hits from a Factiva news & magazine database run. But this shows that the issue here is not verifiability. That leaves the issue of encyclopedic notability. One of the Factiva hits is a 1990 article[4] from that well-known hiphop fanzine, The Washington Post which describes controversial psychiatrist Francis Cress Welsing (and her 1970 anti-white paper "Cress Theory of Color-Confrontation and Racism (White Supremacy)") as well as Neely Fuller and his "Textbook for Victims of White Supermacy" as being officially cited (in the advance press relations and the album credits) as "influential inspirations" for Public Enemy's controversial album Fear of a Black Planet. Public Enemy's "director of enemy relations" (i.e. director of press/public relations) is quoted as describing Welsing and Fuller as the two most controversial race theorists in America today, responsible for "some of the strongest and most relevant writing done on racism, raciality, oppression and other race issues." (If you have access to a news database you can pull up the whole article. Otherwise you'll have to pay a few bucks to the WaPo to see it online) This connection, plus the limited but verifiable level of attention given to Fuller by Afro-American radicals is sufficient enough for encyclopedic notability, in my deletionist opinion. Both the Fuller and Welsing articles need updating to note this link to Public Enemy, and also a general cleanup. The Fear of a Black Planet album article should also note the links. Bwithh
  • Is having had an influence on Frances Cress Welsing and Professor Griff really enough for notability? I would say no... Cognos 20:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not just the influence on Public Enemy, but as I said, it's the indications that he is a significant figure in radical African-American discourse Bwithh 21:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

But there is no evidence that he is a significant figure in radical African-American discourse - compare e.g. Ron Karenga. All we have evidence of is the fact that someone in Public Enemy thought he was.Cognos 13:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - notability hasn't been established for the guy but this is a case where an article on the book mught be justified. BlueValour 03:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 19:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete. Not convinced that he or his book are sufficiently notable or influential. -AED 21:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The man's work is extremely influential, as mentioned below. He is still a highly active and influentual figure in African American intellectual circles. If you ask me, deleting the one entry on Fuller only validates the arguments he has made about racism/white supremacy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.117.39.4 (talk • contribs).

The preceding comment was incorrectly placed. As such, I have moved it here. Srose (talk) 23:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Sigh... accusations like that are not constructive. If you could help come with proof of the man's influence, that would be useful Bwithh 23:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 23:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete simply non-notable. Eusebeus 12:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Eusebeus. 1ne 06:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.