Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nazi moon base 2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Encourage everybody to help clean it up, though. · Katefan0^(scribble) 21:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi moon base

It's back as of 26 September 2005 Wyss 19:05, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

• Previous AFD. No vote. Dragons flight 19:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment, Yeah well I added this article myself to try to expand on the topic which had been red-linked on several Nazi-related articles on Wikipedia. Anyway if you feel this should be deleted then I would suggest to perhaps have a more expanded description on Nazi mysticism surrounding the theories purported for this particular subject. Piecraft 19:16, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Is it possible to simply delete this article without having to go through this process? I have already saved it to be edited into a more concise version in the Nazi mysticism article. Thanks. Piecraft 19:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• According to the rules we are perfectly justfied in deleting this without further discussion. However I think provided the propertly netural tone is maintained (i.e. that there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim) the article is an interesting one. DJ Clayworth 19:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • It can't be deleted as a recreation because the current content is not derived from the previous content. Maybe we can call it a user mistake, but I'm not really sure I'd want to use that since Piecraft seems to believe the information deserves to exist, he just isn't sure where to put it. Dragons flight 19:51, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment is "it's a hoax" a good enough reason to delete it, particularly when the suggestion exists outside of wikipedia and its mirrors? Whilst I agree it is a hoax, considering the Nazis didn't get the V2 rockets working till 1943 and later, I don't completely agree that this should be the sole reason for deleting it. chowells 19:58, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment My only worry, a docking big one, is that a naive reader (and they do exist) might carelessly think this has something to do with physical reality. As a documentation of myth or whatever, it's helpful. Wyss 20:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • How about prefixing it with a brief summary? "The existence of a Nazi moon base is an infamous conspiracy theory which holds that..." makes it clear it's fictional. It is one of the more famously nonsensical theories floating around, it's not original research, and as such it's probably deserving of an article if it makes those clear in context... Shimgray | talk | 11:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Query I basically decided to opt for what Wyss suggested to me earlier and add the necessary text relating to the Moon base and the SS technology in the Nazi mysticism article, however this has now been deleted by Pjacobi because it has been regarded as not being verifiable or relevant? Someone please help me out here because now I'm confused. I think the Nazi Moon base should have a mention for encyclopedic purposes seeing as it is a recognised and explored subject by many people who study Nazi mysticism and Nazi conspiracies. As for the SS technology, this is already accounted for being factual based on another article that can be found on WIkipedia. Piecraft 20:55, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as per previous vote. Do we have to re-vote everything ??? Groeck 22:21, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with nazi mysticism. It might be worthwhile to have another article on nazi conspiracy theories in general instead of crowding up the mysticism article. --Sean Jelly Baby? 22:33, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, obviously. I'm not sure if it belongs in nazi mysticism, which is about "a quasi-religious undercurrent of Nazism". Maybe a nazi conspiracy theories article will help corral this stuff into some sort of shape, eg some info on how widespread this is would be nice. Rd232 22:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Speedy would be nice... and a ban on the poster if he has done this one before. Jwissick^(t)(c) 23:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Nazi Japan. Oh wait, that article was deleted. Keep, then. This kind of weird stuff is just great. I agree with Wyss's concerns to a certain extent, but really naive people will believe all kinds of nonsense without the excuse of a Wikipedia article. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 03:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

  Well put, Tony. I think if it's under nazi conspiracy theories then the're won't be any problems. And I completely agree, wierd stuff like this one of the best things about Wikipedia. How many exploding animals does Encarta have? :) --Sean Jelly Baby? 03:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep -- notable crackpottery, though nowhere near as much so as the Face on Mars I admit. Haikupoet 17:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep nice article.  Grue  07:03, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep If it is clearly about the crackpot theory, and indeed not original research, it may have a home here. Crackpot theories have a home here. Dominick 18:50, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep for same reason as Tony Sidaway and Dominick. PROVIDED, that it is actual crackpottery that someone, somewhere actually believes. SchmuckyTheCat 20:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
• Completely f***ing hilarious. Delete and send to WP:BJAODN. No doubt when they landed on the moon they all laid out their beach towels. (Apologies to all Germans for inappropriate racial stereotyping). --Meiers Twins 10:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - not notable outside of Wikipedia. A Google search on "nazi moon base" yields less than 200 hits. It is not our mission to spread mirth across the internet. Johntex\^talk 20:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment It is our mission to spread neutral, verifiable knowledge. The subject is verifiable and adequate references are given within the article. Spreading this neutral, informative article around the internet is part of helping the internet to not suck. Let's do it. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 20:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete-They only sent a V2 rocket that had no human into space during WW2. Dudtz 9/29/05 5:30 PM EST
• Keep It has a verifiable (the concept/theory, not the base itself ;) existance and the article is referenced nicely. This is depth and color Wikipedia offers that others can't. Rx StrangeLove 06:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. All your Nazi moon base are belong to us. --Optichan 18:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.