Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/N. Senada

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge with The Residents. Prodego ^talk 18:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] N. Senada

• Delete This article fails WP:V. It is about a person who possibly existed, based exclusively on Residents lore. MarkBuckles 19:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• I'll say keep but I can be convinced of a merge to The Residents. The very nature of how The Residents conducted themselves has made pretty much everything they've ever done unverifiable to the normal standards. This person may be real or otherwise but the group refered to him repeatedly and adopted his theory as their core working practice. I've always thought he was a complete invention but many fictional characters have articles here so that's not a bar in itself. Ac@osr 21:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. There have been plenty of verifiable and real collaborators and influences, such as Snakefinger. His article does complement and enhance that of The Residents, and also is of interest independent of the group's article. I can't see how an article on a very probably non-existent collaborator would be as useful. Lazybum 01:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I've never considered Senada a "real" person (though I guess there's no proof he isn't, either). Notable enough even as a fictional character. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The criterion for deletion in not notability, but verifiability. MarkBuckles 04:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• I rather think the lack of verifiable information is what makes it interesting (cf Jandek) but, as I've said, I can be convinced of a merge because it is interesting in the context of The Residents. No-one else has claimed any contact or influence by the subject. Ac@osr 11:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oh, verifiability is no problem at all. Here's a WIRED article and here's a MetroActive article and here's a CBC article which speculates on a Senada = Beefheart connection. He's even got an IMDB entry. I'd bet hundreds or even thousands of sources could be found... the Residents have had a 40-year history, with plenty of press coverage, much of which mentions Senada as well. Strange as it may seem for for someone "mysterious", he's more verifiable than about 95% of our article subjects. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Yeah, but any cold, hard facts? Eclipsed Moon 22:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Well, his Theory of Obscurity certainly exists, and much of the Residents' career is based upon it. He, or someone "playing" him has appeared onstage with the Residents at certain shows, and also appears in Vileness Flats, their feature film. "N. Senada" is highly unlikely to be his real name (IMHO it's a pun on "Ensenada", and in any case it sure doesn't sound like a Bavarian name). So it might be a psedonym of someone, or a character played by one of the Residents. It scarcely matters. He's been the subject of attention and speculation for more than three decades now. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. Lazybum 01:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with The Residents. I really can't decide for myself whether he exists or not, but seeing as not much is known about him, and he is most likely just a part of Residents lore, merge it on over, baby. -- Eclipsed Moon 03:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC).

• Comment I think the article should be merged with the residents, but only because they are the only people who have information about him. His reality is irrelevant, mainly because he has influenced (greatly I might add) something that is exstensively covered on Wikipedia. The Residents. -A. Maddock --72.56.5.191 22:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Ian Manka Talk to me! 06:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to The Residents per A. Maddock. --Metropolitan90 06:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect sounds like he's the band mascot. 'Real' doesnt matter. Bustter 12:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per Maddock and Bustter. Joe 21:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.