Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myrtle Avenue (New York City)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep, nomination withdrawn -- Samir धर्म 04:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Myrtle Avenue (New York City)

Delete. I prodded this as a "minor street". Deprodder wisely reminded me that it's not minor. My fault, I shoud have been clearer: "Very long street in two outer boroughs of NYC with absolutely nothing going on." Article sets a dangerous precedent.- CrazyRussian talk/email 18:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Withdrawn. Will close when no Delete votes are left. - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Srong Keep - Nominator lacks perspective on the topic. Myrtle Avenue is by no means a minor street, obvious by the fact that it spans many neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens (CrazyRussian so nonchalantly calls "outer boroughs"). If we erase this article then we set up an even more dangerous precedent: one that concerns itself only with the surface phenomenon (that the article isn't developed yet) and blindly fails to see the potential down the road. In other words, just because the article is a stub now, doesn't prove that a New Jersey resident can fairly say "nothing is going on" there. This should've been discussed before nominating here, after I de-PRODed. Thanks. --Howrealisreal 19:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
  • That the article isn't developed yet is not what brought this nomination. It's that the street is not developed yet. And no Jersey discrimination please - Brooklyn is the ancestral home of the crazy Russians, you know that...! - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm not hating on Jersey, I got family there too. But, I have to disagree with your observation of Myrtle Ave being "not developed", espcially in the areas of Fort Greene and Clinton Hill. Myrtle Ave has been changing a lot, increasingly becoming a main street of commerce as a result of the college students who go to Pratt Institute, and the recent real estate boom and popularity of living in Brooklyn. [1] --Howrealisreal 19:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I've added more content to the article, and I intend to include more as long as it's still around. --Howrealisreal 00:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
        • You know what would help? Any movies/plays about it? Any songs? "Meet me at Myrtle Avenue"? Is it the most something or the widest or the longest? If the answer is no, it's probably NN. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Myrtle Avenue is referenced in a lot of rap songs. --Howrealisreal 03:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The basis for keeping is based upon connecting two other notable subjects? I realize that's a factor in WP:MUSIC, but it really doesn't apply in this case. If this was true, someone whom taught a notable person in grade school could merit an article. Also, another basis for keeping is based on the potentional for notability. This is so a crystal ballism, Wikipedia takes record of notability that has occured, not notability that will not or has yet to occur. Yanksox 22:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I fail to see the point of this. Artw 23:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. The avenue connects things, like any road, but no notability in and of itself stated or implied. Maybe I'll move there, but it's still nn. Tychocat 00:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep The current version of the article focuses too heavily on Brooklyn. Myrtle is particularly important in Ridgewood, Queens; one of two main commercial shopping districts in Ridgewood (other is Fresh Pond Road). Traffic jams are present in the daytime, and traffic drops off dramatically after businesses close. The Q55 bus that runs along the street can be standing-room only during rush hours to and from its terminus at Myrtle–Wyckoff Avenues station, and that station is one of the busier L line stations in Brooklyn. How do I know? I live in Bushwick/Ridgewood on the Brooklyn side, not too far from Myrtle. I am also familiar with the road through Queens and Brooklyn. It's the main thoroughfare in Glendale, Queens - see that article. It runs through MetroTech Center. Historically, the street's notable: the Jamaica Plank Road (as it was known) existed before the communities were built. As for expanding the article, I can't think of anything else other than what I said above. I will try to improve on the article, but only after further discussion.
• Crzrussian (and others), if I may ask, what are your minimum requirements for a "major avenue"? And what does the Wikipedia community say about what is a "major street" (other than state routes, county routes, etc.)? Tinlinkin 12:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I cannot speak for others, but I think numbered state routes are always OK, but individual streets require a showing of notability. Generally, only the most famous streets in the biggest cities get included. Thus, Manhattan has 100, and Brooklyn has 10. I think that's about right. - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Thank you Tinlinkin for adding another perspective. I instinctually started with information on the Fort Greene/Clinton Hill side of Mytrle, because that is what I am most familiar with. Your information about the Queens side, I think demonstrates that Myrtle is longer and more influential in communities than most other mundane streets in Brooklyn. It should be kept in Wikipedia; Please feel free to be bold and expand the article. --Howrealisreal 13:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - Myrtle Avenue may not be much today, but it does follow the path of the Myrtle Avenue and Jamaica Plank Road (also called the Brooklyn and Jamaica Plank Road, or just the Jamaica Plank Road) which was created in 1853/1854. There is information available on this historic road, and if this article had more on its history it would be greatly improved. Is it a great article as is? No. Will it be a Featured article one day? I doubt it. Does it deserve to be deleted? NO. We need to develop clearer criteria for inclusion of roads that goes beyond can anyone sing a few bars of "I Left My Heart On Myrtle Avenue." Alansohn 14:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Major street in a major city, although we obviously need articles on most streets given their histories and the fact that things go on there. The only dangerous precedent is the wanton use of a prod tag and AfD. --JJay 01:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - If the largest roads in certain cities are allowed to exist, then Myrtle Avenue certainly deserves to stay. It is a very prominent avenue crossing and influencing many neighborhoods including my own, Ridgewood. It is one of the most significant places to us I know from experience. Sorry if this is more anecdotal than anything, but we refer to it as "The Avenue", like we refer to New York City as "the city". It also has a very rich and detailed histroy, that unfortunately has not been elaborated on this page.
• Keep per above. An56 04:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.