Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muds Fest

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. alphaChimp ^laudare 11:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muds Fest

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Nonnotable music "festival" in front of some guy's house; author removed speedy tag. NawlinWiki 18:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - does not cite reliable sources. WilyD 19:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Aplolgies didn't mean to remove speedy tag. Will be a "notable" music festival in years to come. Plans underway for next year.--Wooda916 19:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - An interesting article, I live near burton upon trent and I might check this thing out next year. It is informative and I dont see the point in deleting it. --Vaggerbond 20:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC). — Possible single purpose account: Vaggerbond (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.
• Delete For an event like this to warrant an article on Wikipedia it must meet certain guidelines. It must be notable right now as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, meaning it has been covered by multiple indepedent outlets like newspapers, magazines or notable websites. DrunkenSmurf 20:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• DELETE Both keeps forget WP policy. This fails WP:V, and WP:OR. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball so we shouldn't keep this because it 'may' become a 'notable' music festival in a few years. Please provide evidence that this is notable nation/worldwide. Are there Multiple, Reliable, Independent, Third-Party sources to cite beyond a local paper? --Brian ^{(How am I doing?)} 20:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I also want to mention that this is a music festival that had ~150 people in attendence? I am from Fargo, ND and just 45 minutes east of here is a little place called the Soo Pass Ranch and Amphitheater. Every year they hold a country music festival called "We-Fest", which this summer had ~45,000 in attendence. [1] If We-Fest isn't notable enough for wiki, what is to say this tiny music festival is? --Brian ^{(How am I doing?)} 20:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Brian, I think you have made your point, I also think it's entirely possible that the editor who created the article is a newbie and maybe just didn't know exactly what guidelines to follow when creating an article. I think we can assume good faith here and not bite the newbies. DrunkenSmurf 21:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Smurf. Just came from a heated AfD. Didn't think my wording was to biting at the time but I can see now how it could me. Just trying to back up my reasoning and did it in the wrong tone. --Brian ^{(How am I doing?)} 21:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

No need to apologize, I completely understand. I was trying to assume good faith but based on the comments from the anon IP below perhaps your tone was justified after all. DrunkenSmurf 22:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:V, WP:OR, WP:NOT a crystal ball for possible future encyclopedic notability. --Kinu ^t/_c 21:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Original research and no reliable sources. --Cswrye 21:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• nerds, you are the ones that are newbies—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.92.34.200 (talk • contribs).
• KEEP I think this article is well researched, interesting and should be retained. Carr 22:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment While I respect that, your arguement is weak in the face of the matter that Wikipedia does not keep articles based on if they are interesting or not. Wikipedia's three content policies are Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in the main namespace. Because the three policies are complementary, they should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should therefore try to familiarize themselves with all three. These three policies are non-negotiable and cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, or by editors' consensus So if you believe it should be kept, please provide a reason that these pillars of the wiki community should be put asside for this one article. --Brian ^{(How am I doing?)} 22:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete do I really have to give a reason? Danny Lilithborne 23:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Come on people, it's a small local event with about 150 people in attendence, according to the article. If we set a precedent here that every event with 150 people should get an article, that would include nearly every kids' sports game, pep rally, church service, school play... hell, even some house parties and yard sales manage 150 people. No way. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• The article cites no sources, and I can find no sources. It is unverifiable. It is impossible to determine that this music festival even occurred at all. Reading the article, it is apparent that it was written from firsthand knowledge, and is thus original research, a never-before-published primary source account of a music festival. Wikipedia is not a publisher of first instance, nor is it a free wiki hosting service. It is an encyclopaedia, a tertiary source. Please don't come here to write up firsthand accounts of things. The place for this is the author's own web site, not here. Delete. Uncle G 23:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete as unverifiable original research. — Saxifrage ✎ 00:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unverifiable original research, no mentions found by Google and not mentioned anywhere on the bands' websites or myspace pages. Also, this is a tiny non-notable event, even if sources did exist, and what may happen in the future doesn't affect its current status. -- AJR | Talk 01:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• To those who spend there lives on wikipedia - you all now know about muds fest. It is now a notible event, thank you. Maybe if any of you had ever been to a party or a social event then you would apreciate this article.

--Vaggerbond 01:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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