Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morley High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep -- 9cds^(talk) 15:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Morley High School

This article is about a non-notable school. A google search for this school reveals about 281,000 pages, only about 25 of which are relevant to the school, 4 of which are run BY the school and the rest linking to Leeds Council, or the DfES. Does not imho qualify as encyclopedic.Thor Malmjursson 12:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as it appears to meet guidelines in Wikipedia:Schools, but requires cleanup/sources - there is a lot of unverifiable information in there. ~ Matticus78 12:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

NB: Wikipedia:Schools says This proposal was rejected by the community.

• Keep per Matticus78. --ElKevbo 12:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Quite an old school. Was a Grammer School (note that is an important High School not an Elementary School) and is notable enough for an article. However the content needs cleaning up. Fix not delete is the answer. --Bduke 13:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Clear past precedent to include all real and verifiable high schools. Article is in pretty good shape. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment tagged for cleanup-school because it could use a good hard edit. Wikipedia:Schools guidelines are not applicable because they were never accepted by the community, but that said there is WP:SNOW chance this will get deleted, so I simply implore those who take an interest in school articles to clean this one up a bit.--Isotope23 13:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per Sjakkalle. PJM 15:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep valid High Schools. — RJH (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, needs some work but definitely notable. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 15:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Probably Pointless Delete. I ask myself why I bother. Maybe I've been out of high school too long. WP:SCHOOL did not succeed, the creation of a wikiproject does not automatically confer encyclopedic value on any given article within that project, schools are not inherently notable (but an individual school can be notable), and "precedent" is meaningless because stare decisis does not apply to wikipedia. Nothing in this particular article makes me think this specific school is encyclopedic. Agent 86 16:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, there is nothing pointless about stating your opinion, even if the majority disagrees.--Isotope23 17:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks for that reality check! In my profession, I've built up a high degree of cynicism, which needs to be shaken up once in a while. Agent 86 20:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per precedent. --Rob 18:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per long standing precedent dating back to March 2005. Silensor 18:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Nice article, informative for our readers - we need more like this. --JJay 19:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I understand you wish to keep it based on the fact that it is a school article JJay, but calling this a "nice article" is a stretch. If I may quote: "Also there has been a crack down on fatty and high in sugar foods and fizzy pop and fast food cannot be purchased. However the overweight community of the school has gone on strike saying that they cannot deal without coca cola and fatty foods through out the day." We don't need more poorly written articles like this... We need decently written, factual articles. I slapped a cleanup tag on this for a reason and as I said above, I implore those interested in retaining school articles to clean this up because the article is a mess.--Isotope23 20:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Hey, it's pretty easy to single out the worst line in an article and say it should be deleted. I prefer to look on the bright side with sections like In July 2001 the Arts Council awarded the school the Artsmark at the Silver level. The school was one of only three in Leeds and 13 in Yorkshire to be so recognised. Morley High School is a Specialist Technology College. I would also point out out that the nom did not complain about the writing style. If the issue is cleaning up the article, rather than "notability", it would be far easier to start with tags and the talk page, rather than AfD. --JJay 20:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment from Nominator - The reason I did not complain about the writing style was that it wasn't the writing style that bothered me. It was the fact that the school appears to have nothing more notable than an "Artsmark". The school my adopted son goes to is a Business and Enterprise College. Does that mean that it qualifies for an entry here too??? I think not... Thor Malmjursson 22:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I never said anything about deleting this based on the fact that it is poorly written JJay... I never said it should be deleted at all. I'm merely saying that calling this a good article is a stretch and in fact it is a pretty poor example of what a school article should be. For the record, I did tag it & post on the talk page since I am the one complaining about how it was written, not the nominator.--Isotope23 22:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: (i) I said "nice article". I see six good lines of text, therefore I stand by that comment. We need more articles that start that way. Anything objectionable, perhaps the line you singled out, probably took 5 seconds to remove. I hardly think it worth talking about, because our only concern should be the validity of the topic. Furthermore, as a rule, I do not enjoy criticizing other people's contributions, nor do I view AfD as the right forum for content complaints - at the very least, the article talk page should be used first. For all I know, fatty foods may have been an issue that received media attention in connection with this school; (ii) nominator should submit an article on son's school. Even better, get son to write it. --JJay 22:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I don't criticize because I enjoy doing it... I'm simply pointing out when an article is substandard. Regardless, someone cleaned the article up rather nicely, maybe because they saw the talk page, maybe because they saw the comments here. Either way the article is much improved, which is the end result I wanted to see.--Isotope23 00:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: In that case, I expect to see you type "keep" extremely soon. --JJay 00:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Heh, and add my voice to the obvious outcome? No, I think I'll just abstain and let nature take its course.--Isotope23 01:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete NN Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• *sigh* Very reluctant keep, since any argument I make for deletion will be horribly ignored, and arguing to delete most school articles is a fruitless venture (even though WP:SCHOOL is not a policy) unless they happen to qualify for speedy deletion, which this one doesn't. Since it inevitably will be kept, it needs major cleanup. --Coredesat talk 20:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• keep per Matticus78. Joeyramoney 23:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. Proud to fight the infantilising of wikipedia. -- GWO
• Keep, as it seems to be a notable high school. Carioca 21:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A Notable School, The Article needs cleaning up and Expanding. ^{The preceeding unsigned comment was added by User:Thunderraichu - please sign your comments using 4 tilde's (~)}

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.