Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miller Middle School
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Please defer to the article's talk page to resolve the question of merging. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Miller Middle School
delete as per notability, though there are high school articles, are junior high ones necessary? Chris 18:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I subscribe to the notion that all secondary schools carry inherent notability and this applies to primary schools for the most part hoopydinkConas tá tú? 19:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Keep, I'm not a big fan of all these school pages, but there's apparently a consensus that most schools stand the chance of notability, and I'm not going to argue with precedent here. -- H·G (words/works) 19:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge into an article on its parent school district. There is nothing useful in this article that is specific to the school; the racial demographics are facts of the district as a whole. Whether it's notable is not relevant to whether it can stand on its own or should be merged, and if you can't say anything encyclopedic about it beyond a couple statistics, it doesn't merit independent existence. Postdlf 19:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge per Postdlf. All the Cupertino Union School District middle school articles are extremely stubby, and seem unlikely to get any longer - there really isn't all that much to say about them, besides extremely basic information (location, principal, mascot). Zetawoof(ζ) 20:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- I also don't think the name of a school's principal is encyclopedic. Postdlf 20:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete nn school; schools are no more inherently notable than any other few-hundred person organization is. Carlossuarez46 05:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect to Cupertino Union School District — RJH (talk) 18:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- keep please schools are important and notable too Yuckfoo 06:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- You apparently have no comment or preference on merging? Postdlf 06:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Everyone should be able to read an article about their school because it gets people interested in Wikipedia. Ramseystreet 12:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- As above, you seem to have no preference as to merging, because you have not addressed that issue, but instead just made a generic comment against deletion of school information.[1] Notability is irrelevant to merge concerns due to lack of independent substance, which I hope the closing admin will consider. Postdlf 13:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep for the reasons articulated at Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. The inclusion of this and all other middle schools is important to the goals of Wikipedia. Silensor 20:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep the school. Merge discussions can go on the talk page, without this AFD. But since there's a request for comments, I'll make some. Given the lack of content, I would accept a merge after a proper target is established. This will mean completely redoing the district article. I consider this code to be unuseable for an average editor. A typical person wishing to update info for one school, wouldn't be able to make sense of it, but could manage to edit a single school article. Unfortunately, a high percentage of district articles are in the same bad shape. --Rob 21:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Tables are the best form for organizing information of this kind, where the entries are identical except for variables on a few statistics and simple facts. We don't need prose restating "The mascot is X. The student population is Y." in a dozen different articles when a single column in one can record all of that, and make comparisons at a glance within the district. Whether the "average editor" knows how to use table coding is really irrelevant to what the best end form is to organize information, but I have to say that the use of tables and templates in articles that I wanted to edit is what motivated me to learn how to use them in the first place. On the other hand, if there is encyclopedic information beyond just statistics for each school, its entry within a district article could also be split into a subheaded article sections, which is very easy to do. Postdlf 21:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Your comments are about tables in general. My comments were related to the specific merge target. Not all code for tables is equal. --Rob 21:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, ok, my mistake; I thought your comment went farther than it did. I'll clean the code up later tonight if no one else gets to it before me. Postdlf 22:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Done. Postdlf 05:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. I see no barrier to a merge as soon as the AFD is over. I think others like Miller Middle School could be merged/redirected, while any that are like Murdock-Portal Elementary School should remain stand-alone articles. --Rob 05:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Done. Postdlf 05:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, ok, my mistake; I thought your comment went farther than it did. I'll clean the code up later tonight if no one else gets to it before me. Postdlf 22:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Your comments are about tables in general. My comments were related to the specific merge target. Not all code for tables is equal. --Rob 21:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Tables are the best form for organizing information of this kind, where the entries are identical except for variables on a few statistics and simple facts. We don't need prose restating "The mascot is X. The student population is Y." in a dozen different articles when a single column in one can record all of that, and make comparisons at a glance within the district. Whether the "average editor" knows how to use table coding is really irrelevant to what the best end form is to organize information, but I have to say that the use of tables and templates in articles that I wanted to edit is what motivated me to learn how to use them in the first place. On the other hand, if there is encyclopedic information beyond just statistics for each school, its entry within a district article could also be split into a subheaded article sections, which is very easy to do. Postdlf 21:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: What I would do is redirect this to "Miller Middle School (San Jose, California)" if there is another school of the same name. THEN turn Miller Middle School into a disambig. If Miller Middle of San Jose is not notable, just make this into a redirect for other Miller Middle Schools. WhisperToMe 21:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep and allow for organic growth. Bahn Mi 22:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Cribcage 22:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge no no no no no no no no no no no--We can't have middle schools--that crosses the line. I agree with the mergers, here. AdamBiswanger1 03:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hopefully the closing admin will recognize that the keep votes have failed to provide any reason against merging or even to address it. Or to address the actual article, for that matter; generic statements of opinion carry the day. Postdlf 04:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge into Cupertino Union School District --BaronLarf 21:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge, nn. --Royalbroil 03:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
