Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Horner

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The result of the debate was Delete. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Horner

Some random theologian at a homophobic university. Not more notable than the average college professor. Dunc|☺ 20:55, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Keep I do not know what is particularly random about Michael Horner. Perhaps, duncharris can elaborate. LOL I also see no evidence that the members of the Canadian university are particularly afraid of homosexuals although they disagree with homosexuality which I think is tolerable in a free society. Also, I cannot imagine the fairly peaceful Canadians as being particularly hateful. I would also point out that a leading atheist debator Dan Barker went out of his way to debate Mr. Horner.

ken 17:48, 22 August 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

• keep. Prof. Horner is a faculty member at Trinity Western, which is notable for winning an important case before the Supreme Court of Canada. He is well known in debate circles (as per kdbuffalo's comment above) across Canada, and serves as one of the premier lecturers for Campus Crusade for Christ, Canada. He is clearly more notable than "the average college professor", regardless of whatever his views on homosexuality may be. Simply labelling Trinity Western as "homophobic" is POV. --Nicodemus75 23:06, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • The court case might add some notability to the institution, but it doesn't give any to it's employees. Would you include all the students, just because their school won a court case? -Splash 00:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as above. Trollderella 23:20, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nothing in the article indicates he is any more notable than your average WP:PROF — it is far from unusual to lecture internationally. Further, [1] indicates that he is only part-time faculty. -Splash 00:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I confess that it is difficult to gauge the notability of the "average" professor, but it seems to me that he satisfies that standard. -- DS1953 00:47, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Sounds like an article written by one of his suck-up students. The guy is a nobody and the article is written poorly. (Notorious4life 02:43, 20 August 2005 (UTC))
• Delete. The article doesn't establish notability, and the writings linked to are not particularly impressive. Martg76 03:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Martg76. -- Kjkolb 07:05, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Martg76. --*drew 07:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable professor. Gamaliel 07:26, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notableHomey 16:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:PROF, thus nn. Xoloz 20:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Participating in sixty debates does not make one notable. CJCurrie 01:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Important additional note:

I went to the leading atheist website which is infidels.org There were 52 entries on Micheal Horner in the infidels.org search engine.

Please see: Michael Horner - infidels.org search engine results

Clearly, the atheist community sees Michael Horner as a fairly well known and prominent Christian apologist.

ken 15:51, 20 August 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

• Delete, non-notable. Nandesuka 23:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. -- Spinboy 21:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Famously debated Farrell Till who is roughly equivalent in notability and Till has an entry. Let's not discriminate against the Christians. User:Gilbertggoose 22:00, 22 August 2005 (CST)

• Assume good faith please and let's not throw around reckless and offensive accusations. Gamaliel 04:13, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• Labelling Trinity Western as a "homophobic university" is clearly not good faith--Nicodemus75 06:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• It's far less problematic in the "good faith" department than Gilbertggoose's claim that any objection to this article at all constitutes anti-Christian discrimination. Bearcat 17:55, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• Uh... the comment about homophobic universities at the top of this page IS the anti-Christian discrimination. I don't assume good faith in the face of clear and direct insults. Gilbertggoose 18:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• An allegation of homophobia does not constitute discrimination. Bearcat 22:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• Let's keep it polite, no personal attacks please. It's not discrimination to say that the guy isn't notable. -- Spinboy 22:28, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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