Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metal Gear Solid (film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete. Petros471 16:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metal Gear Solid (film)

Crystal ball. The article seems to be almost entirely speculative. The only real info is that Hideo Kojima would like to do a movie, which doesn't warrant an article. Ace of Sevens 08:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom (& WP:NOT)--blue520 08:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete because. Danny Lilithborne 09:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete. This article violates Wikipedia's crystal ball guidelines, and also does not provide sufficient verifiability. — Mike •  11:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Untill its actually at least semi-confirmed (actors, etc), theres little point to having an article here.ACE Spark 16:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. —Mets501^talk 15:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Hideo Announced this movie and even IMDB has it as announced for 2008 Metal Gear Solid(2008) --Stripedtiger 22:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Contrary to popular belief, IMDb is no more reliable than any other Internet film page. Danny Lilithborne 00:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 17:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
• Very Strong Keep per [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 17:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Sorry, but those citations don't cut it. They all reference people "talking about making the movie" and "having a plan in place" but those don't mean anything in the industry. Make an article once there is a cast, a budget, and a studio. Aguerriero (talk) 18:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, don't feel this violates crystal ball policy. Per "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, provided that discussion is properly referenced." Seeing how Kojima has talked about it in his own radio show, in various interviews, including in PSW and OPSM magazines, Konami has talked about, official Kojima Productions promo materials talk about it, I think this can be made into a well referenced claim. Holywood is notorious for development hell, but that doesn't mean that we can just write this off under the crystal ball guidelines. Hideo Kojima has talked about it, and obviously feels it is going to happen ("False facts aside, a movie project is underway. I have finalized a Class-A contract with a party in Hollywood."), Konami has made public statements about the project, and Kojima Productions has actually advertised with the project at e3. Article needs some work on source cites though.--Codemonkey 06:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC) Rewrote the article, providing proper source cites. --Codemonkey 08:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep.--Cloak' 12:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Very Strong Keep.--TheRockBoS 1:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Very Strong Keep, this was announced in websites like Gamespot and Anime News Network. 70.68.46.180 04:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Very Strong Keep, The delete votes don't offer any rationale (i.e. "Because") and the article not only has references but is based off of interviews from major players in the Metal Gear franchise, not 3rd party speculators. Silversnake020 14:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment None of this changes that there is no script, no budget, no shooting schedule, no director, no anything except an intention to make a film. Intentions don't warrant articles. There's enough now to warrant a mention on the Metal Gear Solid page, but not its own page. Ace of Sevens 15:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, I feel they do warrant an article, as long as the 'intentions' are notable and verifiable enough. I feel they are. The way I read it, Crystal Ball policy both explicitly allows for this, and the stated basis of said policy is indeed verifiability and notability, thus something to be kept in mind when reading that policy. The policy is there to cut down "unverifiable speculation". This article isn't, I feel. --Codemonkey 20:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep also per WP:NOT, specifically Wikipedia is not censored. Nobody has offered an explanation why permanent deletion is necessary, when page-blanking would suffice. Also the burden of proof has been met by provided sources added since article creation. --Tjsynkral 01:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • comment Page blanking isn't done as a method of removing material from the database. — Mike • 02:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I don't think this meets notability. It's documented and would be worth mentioning on the Metal Gear Solid page. I can't see it being notable until it actually goes into production as most popular video games have someone intending to make a movie at some point. Ace of Sevens 02:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The crystal ball policy states this regarding notability: "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred." I think that is true for this article. Or are you talking about some additional requirements? Something from WP:N, or linked from WP:N? --Codemonkey 04:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - There does seem to be some interesting information there, and it's not third party speculation, it's based on the creator's announcements and those of his publisher. Would be acceptable to merge into Metal Gear Solid too, but no point in second-guessing the contrib. - Wickning1 12:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as per Codemonkey --DethFromAbove 00:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.