Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Messianic prophecies - time of birth

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The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  05:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Messianic prophecies - time of birth

This appears to be one of a series of POV forks on Biblical or Christian topics created by User:Blubberbrein2. The first sentence, betraying the bias of the author, originally was:

"The time of the Messiah's appearance to the world, as predicted in the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testamant) is defined by a number of concurring circumstances, that fix it to the very date of the advent of Christ."

This was later changed (by the same user) to:

"The time of the Messiah's appearance to the world, as predicted in the Tanakh is defined by a number of concurring circumstances, that fix it to the very date of the advent of the Messiah."

That change made the lead pseudo-NPOV and tautological ("the Messiah will arrive at the time of the arrival of the Messiah" - uh?). In any case, the article has no references except biblical passages and can be considered what we euphemistically call original research. There is an enormous body of sound, academic scholarship on biblical and other religious topics which needs to be used and referenced when these topics are covered in Wikipedia. I'm all for detailed coverage of the Bible and have voted keep on the articles created by SimonP, but we have to uphold strict academic and NPOV standards in these cases. Tupsharru 09:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete blatant POV advocacy; with a weak borderline option to change to keep if somebody very thoroughly tidies up this POV mess during this AfD. I can imagine a legitimate article about what groups within Christianity have considered what passages to be prophetic, with a good historical survey of the theological tradition - but the present article is a very far cry from that. Lukas ^(T.|@) 10:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, as WP:OR, probably needs complete rewrite. Sandstein 10:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge back to Messianic prophecies (Christian view), NPOV'ing and de-ORing along the way. This is a POV fork but contains material worth keeping. Alba 13:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Alba beat me to it: Merge to Messianic prophecies (Christian view). It's interesting to find out what people believe, but Wikipedia isn't here to preach it. ProhibitOnions 13:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Sandstein.--Andrew c 14:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 14:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete pointless, biased, factually inaccurate article. Vizjim 15:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Let the editors of Messianic prophecies (Christian view) descide if there is anything worth keeeping. JeffBurdges 16:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete -- hopelessly POV. Haikupoet 01:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
• Sayonara per above. --Khoikhoi 05:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.