Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marina Girl

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 00:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marina Girl

The vast majority of this article is an attack of a San Francisco stereotype, and as such violates WP:NPOV. Verifiability of the content is limited as well, unless a rant posted to Craigslist counts. I'm skeptical that the article could be rewritten in a way that would be encylopedic and NPOV. The essay used to be a part of the Marina District, San Francisco, California; given the number of bloggers that were so enchanted by that content appearing in Wikipedia, I anticipate a strong showing of meatpuppets. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 03:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete — Per nom. Oh no! It's Chonga for the Left Coast! — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib)  –  February 20, 2006, 04:25 (UTC)
• Lovely. A collection of shallow stereotypes mashed together to form a pseudo-encyclopedia article. Delete per nom. --Calton | Talk 05:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. JoshuaZ 06:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Bill W., who took the words right out of my mouth. (Will we see the same level of sockpuppetry on this AfD too? Stay tuned!) --Kinu ^t/_c 06:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• I would infact vote to keep it and overhaul it, possibly myself, if any of the references referred to the subject matter in question. So, I vote delete in spite of the numerous pejorative terms that exist out there and are NPOV. -- Greaser 06:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment Good point. Wigger and Yuppie are good examples of how articles about a stereotype can be reasonably encylopedic and sourced. This is probably too isolated to have any chance of verifiability. A search limited to "sfgate.com" returns two articles; one mentioning the term in passing, the other talking about the description that used to be in the Marina District, San Francisco, California article. I couldn't find anything in the Guardian or Examiner. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 06:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment References added which discuss Marina stereotypes from SFWeekly and Guardian. Still very local to San Francisco.

• Delete as above.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 06:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-verifiable per nom, and comments by Ohnoitsjamie are on-target re difference between this and a term in wide use like 'yuppie'. --Lockley 06:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NPOV violation. This article seems more of a bitter rant than an encyclopaedic essay on the subject.  (aeropagitica)  07:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete If this rant becomes a socio-psychological phenomenon of standing it could be encyclopedic - but it is not even close to that now. VirtualSteve 08:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV with no significant verification that there really are such things as Marina girls --Ruby 14:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, and enter now one of the inconsistencies of Wikipedia. Marina Girl strikes me as an insufficiently notable neologism because it's colloquial and unlikely to spread -- ie, it loses meaning away from the marina & SF. Also, I'm from SF, and have never heard it. That said, if this were an Internet colloqualism, we might elect to keep it, because terms on the net can be just as niche, but cross a broader strata of readers and users because of the noncentralized nature of such. This is something we'll have to figure out how to work with eventually. Adrian Lamo ·· 20:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as complete bollocks. Guy 22:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I'm pretty sure that this just got run through a previous AfD very recently (last week?), and got deleted (note that it's recreated in the last couple of days). I'm sure digging around can locate the ref. Georgewilliamherbert 23:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment (Not a WP member, not author, not affiliated, no vested interest) Anecdotal : This is a very common term with my social circle (No, not Mission District! Not even SF.). Unless it's being included in travel guides though, it will lose relevance beyond the SF Bay Area. I don't see a huge difference between Marina Girl and Essex Girl wrt concept. Essex girl (looks like this is an expansion on Essex Girl - clearly one of these needs editing) is a specialization of Chav and Dumb blonde, as Marina Girl is a specialization of Yuppie. The Chronicle or Examiner wouldn't dare address this phenomenon by name - their readership levels are already dangerously low, and that would probably lose them 10% of their readers. More references would better the article, I agree. Please, visit the Marina. It's funny.

• I have a few links for consideration (for varifiability purposes) :

SF Weekly [1] San Francisco Magazine [2] and a SF Chronicle article that uses the term [3] Calbearspolo 19:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Calbearspolo

• KEEP - This explanation of Marina Girl holds true not just for SF, but any area near the water including westside areas of Los Angeles (Santa Monica, Venice, Manhattan and Hermosa Beach, Orange County in general) and San Diego. The writer of this article is so accurate it's scary. I wager that most of the people who want this removed is because it hits too close to the truth....and they can't handle the truth...or laugh at life.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.82.98.50 (talk • contribs) 2006-02-24 11:27:42.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.