Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magda Berkovits

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magda Berkovits

Non-notable candidate for city councillor in 2006 Toronto municipal elections. YUL89YYZ 18:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• I take exception to the notation "Non-notable". As the Executive Vice-President of the York Centre Provincial Liberal Association and a Past President of the Ontario Women's Liberal Commission, Magda Berkovits is a notable person not only in York Centre, but in Ontario. This page provides biographical information linked to the reference to Magda Berkovits on the City of Toronto 2006 Municipal Elections page for those people who want further information on the candidate's political experience and background. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gcrann (talk • contribs) .
• Does not appear to meet guidelines in WP:BIO. Delete. --Skeezix1000 18:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

:Given the edit history of the user who created the article, it may also violate WP:Vanity. --Skeezix1000 19:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)Not the case. User did inadvertently create an article about himself (see User talk:Gcrann), so this article would not be aWP:Vanity issue.--Skeezix1000 20:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Agree with Skeezix1000, doesn't meet WP:BIO criteria. Page little more than advertising for a municipal election. --Atrian 18:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with Skeexiz1000 and Atrian as the article does meet the guidelines because it consists of verifiable biographical facts. It does not try to embellish upon such facts as one would in election advertising.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gcrann (talk • contribs) .

Verifiability is not the same thing as the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. And please sign your name on talk pages and votes by typing ~~~~; the software automatically converts it to your username and the date. --Skeezix1000 19:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per failure to meet either WP:N or WP:BIO criteria. Mattisse 20:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Candidates for office are not notable. Recreate the article if she wins. Resolute 22:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, Skeezix and Resolute. Agent 86 22:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Verifiability isn't the primary issue here — notability is. Local council candidates are not notable; political party apparitchiks are not notable. As of right now, there isn't a single criterion by which she could be deemed notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Delete, but do so without prejudice against recreation if she wins. Bearcat 00:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:BIO Just zis Guy you know? 10:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia policy is not to that candidates automatically do not receive a Wikipedia article, while incumbents do. WP:C&E states in part: "As a compromise between those who would keep all candidate articles and those who would delete all articles on yet-unelected candidates, this guideline states that articles on elections should be written before articles on individual candidates. Only if and when there is enough independent, verifiable information to write a non-stub article on a candidate should one be written."

  WP:C&Econtinues on to state:

  "Articles on elections fall into two categories: elections in which candidates are as important as parties (such as nonpartisan races and all American elections) and elections in which parties are more important than candidates (such as parliamentary elections in the UK and Canada). For the first type of election, each individual race should receive its own article."

  Municipal elections in Toronto are non-partisan races in which candidates are as important as parties. Therefore, municipal candidate articles are allowed by the Wikipedia guideline dealing specifically with Candidates and Elections.--Gcrann 18:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

That guideline refers to the provincial/state/federal level of politics. Our inclusion guidelines explicitly spell out that the municipal level of politics is not automatically entitled to the same policy status. Bearcat 23:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

In any event, it is not a guideline, but rather a proposal that has been put forward for discussion. --Skeezix1000 00:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• RETAIN I cannot believe how much time and effort is being spent on attempting to have an informative yet harmless article on one of the candidates running for election in Ward 10 in the City of Toronto. I would rather have articles for all candidates so that we, the voters, can make a more informative decision, and not delete those articles that do exist. Juveboy 22:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not here to post campaign materials. It's here to reflect things that are already notable, not to help publicize people who want to become notable. Wikipedia doesn't even have an established consensus that elected city councillors deserve articles; our inclusion guidelines clearly state that the bare minimum level for automatic notability is the provincial or state legislature. Helping you decide who to vote for isn't what Wikipedia is about. Bearcat 23:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I did not see any campaign materials in the article, and to me, anyone running for public office is notable. Please accept MY opinion as is. Again, I state, why is there so much time and effort being spent on this one small article? Juveboy 23:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This is a standard process (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion). --Skeezix1000 00:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

If this is a standard process, then why are we focusing only this one candidate? Looking at the list of challengers in the various wards, there are at least a dozen candidates that have their own personal pages, yet you seem to attack only this one, leaving the others alone. Is it that the others are more in line with your own political views? Juveboy 00:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone nominated it, thus the discussion. No one is attacking anything. If you believe that there are other articles on candidates that do not meet Wikipedia criteria, then nominate it for AfD, keeping WP:POINT in mind. --Skeezix1000 00:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete per Google test (the only two exact hits come from this site) and WP:BIO. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 00:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Just want to point out that this long debate was started literally minutes after the article was initially submitted by the person who authored an article on another municipal candidate running in the same ward. --Gcrann 21:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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