Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madshrimps

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Owen× ☎ 00:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Madshrimps

Vanity, not noteable. Does not meet any of the suggestions of WP:WEB -- as even noted in the text. Alexa not even in top 50,000 ([url]) —preceding unsigned comment by HackJandy (talk • contribs)

• Delete per nom. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - 4,000 members [1] in the forum meets WP:WEB. It is verified, so there should be no issue. Also if they were mentioned in Slashdot as claimed, then they are notable. Remember, Alexa is the last resort to justify notability. It is not the only way to be considered notable. Zordrac 07:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I beg to differ, but 4,000 members, even if verified, does not meet WP:WEB's criterion #2 of 5,000. This is a low threshhold, since one expects most notable websites to have far more participation. And the first resort is criterion #1, "having been the subject of national or international media attention within the last 2 years", with "particular weight given to off-line sources of news". Slashdot, as its WP article points out, is a dubious source of accurate information, although it does have credibility in Madshrimps' domain. It would help establish this article's notability if other sources (especially print sources) were cited. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment WP:WEB is still a proposal, and satisfying the criteron only assures an automatic keep; the inverse is not implied. However, I did nominate this and I still agree that the website is note noteable enough for an entry. HackJandy 06:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: First, what does a forum have to do with anything? The article concerns the site, which is a hardware site. They tell you how to overclock (woo-hoo! I have a molten pile of silicone, but I got an extra 2 hz!) and just do the regular advice thing. The site has a poor Alexa rank, and, again, Wikipedia is still not a web guide. This isn't about good websites and bad websites: it's about whether a site is so astoundingly famous that it's mentioned outside of the web, as things like Slashdot are. Geogre 17:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. My own forums have almost 1000 users and over 58,000 posts and we don't belong on Wiki either.  RasputinAXP  _{talk contribs} 22:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - this is an article the same as that one available for HardOCP and Anandtech. Alexa rating should NEVER be used to measure sites popularity as it can easily be cheated, the rating is based on users who use the Alexa banner, and visit your site. If you load up Alexa banner on ~12 PC's and keep a site open & refreshed every 5 minutes then their Alexa rating will BOOM from 60.000 -> 12.000 within a few weeks time. The article is about the WEBSITE, not necessarily the forums; they are but a part of the equation. It's not about size, but about quality and content. This IS the web, and not a webguide but an information collection, WIKI. Still have to see the first PC which became a (molten pile of silicone) just from overclocking, the guides are there to PREVENT you from doing damage, and to do it in a safe and controlled manner. For that alone the Overclocking guide on A64 is worth a spot in the wiki as being the most complete and step by step explanation on the subject. 14:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC) 204.124.198.28 13:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)Gamer

• Comment Several things.... First of all I noticed you are a major contributor to the wiki page (Special:Contributions/204.124.198.28), but the fact that the majority of the work you've done is add the Madshrimps URL to other articles raises some red flags to me. Furthermore, their Alexa rating will BOOM from 60.000 -> 12.000 within a few weeks time. -- that is why the suggested recommended guideline is 10,000 ranking, not 12,000. Finally, are you sure you meant Silicone and not Silicon? I still fail to see why this is noteable even with your arguments. HackJandy 17:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment the Alexa example I gave can be found here and it was just that, an example of how easy it is to "cheat" Alexa ranking, take 20 persons who can get 100-150 PC's visiting your site every day and your ranking will be above 10.000, sadly, it's as easy as that, and with more people becoming SPYWARE/MALWARE aware, the Alexa banner is only installed by PC novists. The website discussed here is one where the average reader uses Firefox or a spyware free Internet explorer, in the eyes of Alexa those people don't count. While in fact, they do. 204.124.198.28 11:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)Gamer

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.