Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MELEE-FC

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete The JPS^{talk to me} 23:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MELEE-FC

Gamecrufty article about an international Super Smash Bros. Melee tournament that claims notability on the basis of having had a whopping 186 entrants; the article says it's the most entrants in a tournament "of its kind", which is pretty easy seeing as there's no other SSBM tourneys to compete with it. As it stands, it reads like an advertisement for the next tournament. I'm voting to just get rid of it. Danny Lilithborne 06:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

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• Keep this tournament has establish notability. It will be rewritten. Sources also have been cited of its reach beyond just that of smash. Also there is a citation about Newscasters interviewing players and the tournament scene. Please read the entire article. Also if you did any research you would note that smash has the largest tournament community. Therefore there are many tournaments to compete with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).
  • The entire article is 70% self-promotion and 20% "oh wow we were on the news once". And I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. I am very familiar with how popular a tournament game SSBM is. Read what I said over again. Danny Lilithborne 07:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ryulong 06:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as no more notable and important that the local Church Fete. --Peripitus (Talk) 07:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom GassyGuy 08:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• A few notes. This initial reason for recommended deletion was based on a bias (negative personal feelings) toward the creator of the page. Reading through this article provides both citations and reports of the notablilty of this tournament. To view an unnotable tournament see NorCal Tournament. Melee FC has been portray by the media, and thus gone beyond that of interest community. Therefore, not only having a massive impact on the Smash community, but also is known outside of interest group. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).

• Delete per nom ... who, by the bye, is an AfD regular; please assume good faith. That being said, there seem to be plenty of us quite unconvinced of this small gaming tournament's notability, as well as the article's unsourced assertions of magazine coverage and size, and turned off by the cut-and-paste from a flyer. I found the assertion of an "international" tournament, based on the one guy showing up from England, especially piquant. RGTraynor 08:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, non-notable video game tournament. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 08:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete My college has SSBM tournaments, too. I'm not writing articles about those. -- Kicking222 11:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Obvious Delete. If we're to start including every event where 100 people show up, then we're going to need articles about most yard sales, open houses, kids' lemonade stands, etc. I think not. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Those familiar with the Smashboards/Smash Brothers tournament community know that this has been the most competitive and diverse Smash tournament for the last two years, even compared with the professional leagues, therefore "non-notable" is not a reason to delete. It is a meaningful part of the Smash tournament scene's culture, and not just a tournament at some college or in someone's backyard, but held and supported by professional gamers who regularly compete in professional tournaments. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.74.212.255 (talk • contribs).

• Reasons for keeping. Please note that World Series of Poker and World Poker Tour are tournaments, that though received large publicity, only applies to that interest group therefore is technically not notable. Because of publicity WSOP has become notable. What makes Melee FC notable is that if someone not apart of the tournament community is interested in finding out what the largest tournament in Smash is, they could search for it on wikipedia. Smash has sold over 6 million copies and as a result the interest group is much larger than just that of the tournament players, therefore people would be interested. This article is an interesting read for any gamer, smash related or not. Both poker and smash has received Television publicity. Also, this tournament has larger notablilty than many Magic: The Gathering players, which each have their own article. Also this article has notability because it is the most notability aspect of a certain interest group. The pinnacle of all interest groups already have, or deserve an article on Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).
• Delete as non-notable. Ifnord 14:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep notable as the apex of tournaments in smash. More notable then Magic: The Gathering players. Article is none bias and has notability. Known outside of interest group. killerhun00
• Delete - This tournament really isn't that big. Comparing it to WSOP is nonsense. Wickethewok 14:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• This tournament really isn't that big. Comparing it to WSOP is nonsense., Correct, but it follows the same concept. Therefore deletion would violated wikipedia rules. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).

• I have no idea where you came up with "deletion would violated wikipedia rules". What? I don't suppose we can get an early close on this...? Wickethewok 14:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• Article has been featured in Nintendo Power. This markes the only ameteur tournament to do so. The publicity is notable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).
• Delete. Not notable. Wikipedia is not a list of everything that ever appeared in print anywhere. -- GWO
• Please state why this lacks notability. The apex of ever interest group has an article. This is an apex of the Smash Community.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).
• Delete this is not the WSOP and Nintendo Power isn't exactly serious media. --Pboyd04 16:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment It lacks notability because it has only been mentioned in Nintendo Power, the official magazine for all things Nintendo, and the homepage that organizes the tournament. World Series of Poker is televised on a national network. Magic the Gathering has a larger fanbase than SSBM, as the Gamecube was not very popular among the PS2 and the X-Box. If I were to hold a SSBM tournament at UM, I could probably gather upwards of 100 participants, too, and it could also be determined as international, because there would be plenty of participants who go to my university and are from other countries (India, Tanzania, Argentina, Cuba, etc.), but that wouldn't mean it requires international notability on Wikipedia. Ryulong 19:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe you arent reading everything, NBC news team also broadcasted it on the 6 clock news. Also if you host a tournament it will not gather anything international. Melee FC is the apex of smash tournament and is noted as the largest tournament out come for a single fighting game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).

• Okay, it says that the local NBC station for the area, WNDU-TV, broadcast a news report on the tournament. It's not like NBC Nightly News or Dateline NBC reported on it (which it would then be notable, because a news program broadcast nationally would have mentioned it). MELEE-FC is not as notable as (for an example) QuakeCon which gathers several thousand participants in a LAN Party, during which they play multiplayer first person shooters against each other (Quake III Arena). Ryulong 20:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Also note that I said fighting games. Fighting games in general do not bring even over a hundred participants. Evo and can bring around 400 because it host seven games. FC3 however, was single handly able to bring 186 participants. There will be even larger tournaments this summer, however they have not yet occured. Also FC is an annual tournament therefore people interested in going and expect one every year. As far as fighting games go Melee FC has brought the largest crowd. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).

• Uh, there were over 200 entrants in the MvC2 tournament at EVO in 2004. (Which, mind you, is STILL not notable, which makes this debate even more of a joke.) Danny Lilithborne 23:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• First, sign your comments with ~~~~, even if you are an IP editor. Second, just because it is a fighting game that got nearly 200 players in it's third year doesn't make it any more notable than if it was a Tekken tournament that got 400 participants and got mentioned on the local CBS network in Duluth, Minnesota. Ryulong 20:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• Please site the source where a tekken tournament received 400 players, as far as im concern that has never happened[1] If it has happened, then I for one would be interested in reading a wikipedia article about it. I am not a part of the tekken interest group. Therefore that article would be notable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).

• It hasn't to the best of my knowledge, I'm just using it as an example of something that would also be not notable, and a fighting game tournament. (Also, that's not what I meant when I said to sign your comments with ~~~~. Just type four tildes and it'll show up.) Ryulong 20:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Sheesh, I got interviewed by both the local NBC and the local ABC nightly news teams, at different times yet. (I was the guy at the local pro hockey games who swung a referee-on-a-noose.) That sure doesn't make me notable. RGTraynor 20:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I think the mentioning of MELEE-FC in the SSBM article is plenty. This article is not very interesting or informative to anyone who does not attend the tournaments, and the person who wrote the article even said that he doesn't care. I've been to both FCs and I'll be at the next one, by the way. AOB 00:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I'm somewhat sick of this notability thing. Nintendo power and local news count as reliable sources, it's just that this article doesn't back up its claims with those sources. I don't think we should compare this to WSOP, but if this is the most important/successful tournament for this game, I think that's a reason we can include it. However, the article is full of inside information that only fans would know: this is not verifiable info and needs to be removed. Mangojuice^talk 13:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.