Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lovely (micronation)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep --Ichiro 21:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lovely (micronation)

Listing Orphaned AFD Page Vary | Talk 17:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

• This is an excersize in fantasy and an attempt to improve TV ratings. Wikipedia does not tolerate other articles about micronations, why should this be any different? I say delete it becuase it is nonsense Kilroy Collins
• Keep Notable. Kilroy, please Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point -- Vary | Talk 17:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Nonsense? The article may not be perfect but it contains only verifiable facts from a NPOV. As for Wikipedia not tolerating other articles on micronations, that is clearly rubbish: Sealand was the featured article on the front page about a week ago! The TV series How to Start Your Own Country has already finished so I don't see how it could possibly be "an attempt to improve TV ratings". --Hitchhiker89^talk 17:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, is from BBC series How to Start Your Own Country. Wikipedia does tolerate articles about micronations — in fact Sealand was a featured article this week. Punkmorten 17:35, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep. How to Start Your Own Country was a fairly successful program, it doesn't really need wikipedia to improve ratings. Article is definitely notable. Englishrose 17:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable Micronation. --Billpg 22:08, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Utter rubbish: Not an attempt to improve tv ratings as the tv series has ended. Wikipedia does tolerate articles about micronations; see the featured Sealand. -- jeffthejiff (talk) 22:38, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
  • ... but not all micronations indiscriminately, note. A micronation where someone simply declared a field to be a an independent nation and told no-one but Wikipedia about it is unacceptable here (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nation of Pogo), as is a micronation where someone did nothing more than set up a club on a web site (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Atlasia). See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ladonia (micronation) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Forest Archipelago. Uncle G 23:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Mm, i was pointing out that micronations arent inherently unnotable. This particular micronation has interest as it was the subject of a BBC series and has a fair few members; moreso than some countries. Maybe not the most notable article on wikipedia, but a helluva lot more than half of it. -- jeffthejiff (talk) 23:51, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Definitely notable as a result of its TV coverage. David | Talk 23:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable enough. Image:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 01:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to the TV show, no notability otherwise. Gazpacho 02:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The national anthem needs to be removed from the page, though, and perhaps some other cutbacks. Otherwise, it's idiocy to delete things like this (and articles for sizeable other micronations for that matter) Hauser 07:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Why are no other micronations tolerated on Wikipedia? This is crud about some guy that did a TV show. That makes it important? Wikipedia hates this kind of stuff! Look at the number of micronations that tried to add themselves to the list of micronations, none of them were tolerated! Why should Lovely? Becuase it was on TV? Is Sealand the only Micronation that has a page? There are hundreds of micronations on the internet, mabye three on wikipedia? Keep the pattern. Wikipedia hates nonsense. delete Kilroy Collins

I'm not trying to attack you here, but when you say "Wikipedia hates this kind of stuff!", you seem to mean "I hate this kind of stuff". As i said above, its not the most important article on wikipedia, but an article about a micronation serially televised on the BBC and hosted on their website is a lot more important than a lot of ridiculous stuff on wikipedia. -- jeffthejiff (talk) 15:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

There are 42 in Category:Micronations (One is the Micronation article and another looks to be made a redirect with another AfD, but that leaves 40.) --Billpg 15:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. This is a notable micronation, at the centre of a popular TV programme helmed by a notable comic and author. Other micronations like Sealand have articles; Lovely, with its large number of people affiliating themselves to it, is as notable as Sealand if not more so. Jess Cully 18:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. Lovely has over 53,000 citizens almost rivaling the Marshall islands. That many people cannot be ignored. David Lewis (Citizen of Lovely) 6th January 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.85.15.103 (talk • contribs).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.