Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loserz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no clear consensus. —Xyrael / 16:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Loserz

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Courtesy listing, nominator did not create AfD subpage. Appears to be a non-notable webcomic. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 23:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Seems to be comic published in HS newspaper. nn. Leuko 03:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Don't Delete Is not published anywhere other than on the internet. 02:05, 25 August 2006 (PST)

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• Keep Non-notable? 489 comics, active fanbase, been around for years, it's pretty damn notable if you ask me... Korinkami 21:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Not published in a HS newspaper, is an active webcomic (although updates rather sporadically). No less notable than thousands of other Wikipedia pages. Ryan Magley 22:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Loserz is NOT published anywhere else, The comic is a web exclusive that's been going for almost six years. Yes the update schedule is a bit wonky but that's hardly a reason to remove it from Wiki.Foomartini 19:11, 25 August 2006 (EST)
• Keep As per above. Established webcomic with a large archive and fanbase. -Interested2 00:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Loserz is a free unadvertised webcomic with a large fan-base, archive, and a active community of readers. -BobmanX

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• Keep Loserz is by far one fo the best webcomics out there. saying it isn't notable is like saying Biggs and Wedge (both of which have their own Wikipedia pages) from Star wars arent notable. Also, the comic in question of being publsihed in a high school newspaper may be the one in question relating to This comic.- SpartanGhost

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• Delete The article does not assert notability, and it has an Alexa rating of 269,761. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The Alexa rating is largely irrelevant, Wikipedia has articles on other sites with lower ratings, such as Hell.com. -Interested2 12:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, please see my post much lower down the page, you'll see that the alternate URL for the loserz comic has a much higher alexa ranking. Fyver528 20:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Also note that the message board has linked to this article and that's causing all the keeps. --FlareNUKE 05:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - The best argument for the notability of this comic is that it was in a High School newspaper? That it exists? and that it's good? There are no external sources, fails WP:V, fails WP:WEB. List of webcomics is just an advertising portal. - Hahnchen 03:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is an amazingly notable webcomic, that has created an enormous fanbase of diehard fans over the 6 years it has been running! User:YouAgain
• Keep Oh, come on. FlareNUKE put up this article for deletion possibly to get attention on the comic in question's forum. This is a very notable webcomic (no, not something in a high school newspaper) that used to be very high up in the rankings on several webcomic ranking sites, but gradually fell due to the writer/artist going on a several month long hiatus. It has now returned, but is still recovering. However, it is still a highly popular comic, and still active. It is apart of the webcomic group "the Gewd Guys", which is a group including webcomic goliaths such as Chugworth Academy. Do not delete this article simply because some sad little fan wanted attention on a forum. User: Snoogy — Possible single purpose account: User:Snoogy (talk • contribs) has made little or no other contributions outside this topic.
• Delete. This article fails WP:WEB and WP:V. Just because something has a fan base, doesn't mean it's actually notable - take a look at all of the YouTubers we've deleted - excluding, of course, the very most notable. Srose (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Wait so 40+ pages on Oral Sex, or the meaning of Dirty Sanchez or how many times a certain porn star has taken it up the ass is all fine. But a page about a Webcomic that's been going for almost six years is a no no? What the hell? The fact is that there really isn't much on Wiki that's treally important. So why axe one over another? If you're going to axe the Loserz entry then you should axe all of the Webcomic entries.

Foomartini 11:15, 28 August 2006 (EST)

• Comment, Foomartini, if you have anything to add, can you add it to your previous vote, instead of voting a second time? Korinkami 11:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep* Personally, I see no reason why the entry should be deleted. In my time reading and monitoring Wikis I've seen far more pointless stuff, Loserz has an active fan community and a long and proud history (six years in the webcomic world is a very long time). If you delete this page, then you might as well start deleting pages for other webcomics as well, which is just nonsensical

MyrmidonZero 18:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep* Notable or non-notable...is it such a bad thing to leave the article up? What's the worst that could happen? It's not hurting anybody. Anyway Loserz has been linked to several other webcomic sites, and has spawned at least 100+ fan art. It should be kept. shoes22 11:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep* Come on people. Loserz has been running for six years and has an established fanbase. There are far stupider articles on wiki out there for you to delete. Foomartini makes a really good point. Articles about pornstars and the origin of the dildo is fine but a webcomic gets deleted? Give me a break.Gigaguyser 11:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't really see a reason to make an attempt to delete an entire page, it's really a waste of time. But I hate the self-importance of author and his fans, so I'll go along with the deleters. IrkenRed 12:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Notable and significant fan base. Above comment is based upon irrelevant issue of how the author/fans allegedly act, so I'd have to strongly disagree with IrkenRed. I'm not a forum contributer, so my vote upon a seperate judgement basis. Fyver528 14:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC) Edit: Important comment relating to Alexa ranking The URL that the non-notability judgement was made upon was loserzcomic.com, however http://loserz.scribblekid.org/ is still widely used and was used for much longer than loserzcomic.com. It has a much higher ranking of 144,641 [1]
• Strong Keep. The comic in question not only is a notable comic in the webcomic community, holding several times high rankings in webcomic listing sites, but also has a strong active forum community that is active even when the author is on one of his many hiatuses, which are noted in the article. The webcomic is not currently a campus newspaper comic, although that's how it did start. How it began may have not been notable, but from the fans and attention Loserz has recieved it surely is notable in the webcomic community. The author is not "conceited", as I have not seen the author on this editing page. Also, the person who admittedly put the article up for deletion seems to have a bad reputation on the comics forum community. Wiki pages should not be deleted because someone doesn't like what it's about. I believe that Wikipedia is supposed to be about unbiased judgements and facts, not whimsical, arbitrary selections for acceptance and deletion and such. The facts are that loserzcomic.com does have a pretty good alexa rating for a webcomic that is being independantly published on the internet. It has an active community, and has been rated highly by webcomic rating sites in the past. This should show that, among webcomics, this comic is notable. Milam 21:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unverifiable through reliable sources. --- Dragonfiend 03:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• KeepLong running webcomic with a large archive. The reason it fell in popularity is due to the author's long hiatus, which is now over. RogerBarnett 09:41, 31st August 2006 (GMT) ---
• Keep i have no clue why anyone would want to delete one of the most popular web comics out there from wiki...
• Keep I see no problem having this article up, there seems to be NO evidence that the article is againts any rules set up by Wikipedia and has been updately daily.--Ripster40 21:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. A whopping 188 unique Googles says this has to go. I'm sure your comic is good and all, but until you get mentioned more often it just has to go. Garrett^Talk 00:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Keep: No reason to delete the entry. its just another piece of information, why remove it?

• Delete. Remove it because it's not notable. Notable doesn't mean it's been around a long time or it has an active fanbase or it's been rated highly and whether or not the author takes hiatuses is completely irrelevant. It means "it is known outside a narrow interest group or constituency, or should be because of its particular importance or impact." A lot of great things in the world aren't notable. Nothing personal fans. Flying Jazz 01:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.