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The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 1449 URB

Non-notable university radio station. I'd merge with University of Bath, but I want to check first re the recent re-creation of previously-deleted Bath impact, the university newspaper, that I'm doing the right thing. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Response From Members Of Bath University1449 URB

PLEASE DON'T DELETE

We think that it is valid to have a small link to wiki pages for University of Bath Media pages impact and urb, it is as least as valid as a page for the universities football team.

1449 URB has a long and historic career as one of the first and longest running student radio stations in this country.

It has produced many mainstream famous dj's including annie nightingale and dr fox so please do not delete it, if you don't care about impact or urb then just don't click the link, it is the start of the articel, and we will contiue to develop it to include more of the history of urb and student radio. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcmadhatter (talk • contribs).

• Weak Delete - It claims to have produced notable DJs but I can't verify this. Does this make it notable anyway? --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 15:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• I'd say not (of course) on the grounds that it is perfectly normal for DJs (and others) to start out in completely anonymous student stations / papers / whatever before moving on. The one-time editor of my old University students union newspaper (which was as navel-gazing as any) later went on to the Sport and then the Sun. That doesn't make the Wessex News any less of a rag. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 18:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• • • Accepted. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 18:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge a little bit with University of Bath I suppose. But in general delete this article. Individual buildings/programs/clubs/etc. of colleges generally aren't notable, radio stations have to be widely listened to. And producing a few non-notable DJs isn't notable. Sorry guys. --W.marsh 16:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable, self-promoting. I researched its claim of being one of the oldest college radio stations and found it falls several decades short. I'd vote in favor if this were somehow exceptional in its field, perhaps a co-founder of National Public Radio or the first venue of acts that later changed popular music. It claims to have launched two careers that are themselves not notable enough for encyclopedia entries. To the students: I know any college radio station is hard work and I wish you well but it doesn't help to say that you throw good parties. Durova 16:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Um... just so you know, this radio station is in England. Which may have something to do with why it wasn't involved in founding an American network. ^_^ — Haeleth Talk
    • Point conceded. What important journalism originated from this radio station? You'd have a real case for inclusion if you could say something like, "Brent Bigley's 1982 stories first aired on our station, which led to new British automobile emission standards and contributed to the 16% nationwide gains for the Labour party in the following election." Durova 18:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Sounds like a cool station, but still non-notable. If merged, cleanup the POV. Jasmol 17:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable student radio station. — Haeleth Talk 18:30, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn per above. Dottore So 00:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to University of Bath. It's notable enough within that context. Bryan 01:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess wikipedia is fairly pointless as far as encyclopdiea's go then, not much point having an encyclopedia of everything if new people can't add their own pages. the page was one link from the university of bath wikipage, hardly damaging to anyone, and lets face it you'll only click on it if you're interested. But I guess there are a lot of people on here who like removing small articles they aren't interested in, i mean that would be ok if wikipeida was pushed for space on it's servers, but i hardly think it is.

• Merge Merits mention, but not an article to it's self Astaroth5 20:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. *drew 01:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED as per authors request. JeremyA (talk) 03:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aarskog sryndrome

I wrote this article without realizing there already was one. I merged the information into the established article.--Jfurr1981 03:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deleted by User:Charles Matthews as patent nonsense. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Abdullah's Inequality

There is no such inequality, and the article appears to be some sort of vanity by the article's creator. Delete unless someone can cite this inequality somewhere. —HorsePunchKid→龜 07:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Nothing on mathworld. There is one more article on Abdullah's Inequality that there are inequalities named Abdullah's Inequality — this is Abdullah's Inequality. I can think of a way to fix that, though. Delete --DavidConrad 07:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, probably a hoax or someone's private invention. A1kmm 09:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Very close to patent nonsense. JPD (talk) 10:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. You can leave out that 'very close'. This makes as much sense as a mathematical inequality as a<2<b. - Andre Engels 14:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:34, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was ambiguous. I count 3 clear "deletes", one "delete or merge", one straight "merge", one "keep or merge" and only one "keep as is" (the unsigned edit discounted). While the general concensus seems to be leaning toward a decision that the article should not remain independent, I am going to call this as a "no consensus" decision. My own opinion is that he probably does not meet the recommended criteria WP:BIO. I can't find anything in WP:CORP that would sway the decision, either.

What notability he has appears to be entirely derivative of his founding of the company. As an ordinary editor, I am going to merge and redirect this article to Squaw Valley Ski Resort, the company he founded. That article has plenty of room for expansion. I recommend that Cushing not be broken out into a separate article until the ski resort article gets very large. Rossami (talk) 21:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander Cushing

Seems like one of several million businesmen on the planet. Vanity? Wouldn't be surprised. -R. fiend 05:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• NN, D. ComCat 05:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as notable, e.g. [1]
• Keep. Notable, founded Squaw Valley. Herostratus
• Delete. This can be briefly mentioned in Squaw Valley if necessary. Gamaliel 19:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge to Squaw Valley. NN. Google gets 255 hits on "Alexander Cushing", but the hits are not all about him, so approx. 200 'real' hits. - Dalbury (talk) 20:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge & redirect to Squaw Valley encephalon 20:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep if this can be expanded, otherwise merge and redirect to Squaw Valley. Hall Monitor 00:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deleted by User:Charles Matthews as patent nonsense. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Almariah's Inequality

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdullah's Inequality; the same thing is going on here. Still not speedyable, but if it's deleted, make sure to hit the redirect that was just a dupe of this article. —HorsePunchKid→龜 08:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete probably hoax. A1kmm 09:30, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. What's n anyway? - Andre Engels 14:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Titoxd^(?!?) 06:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Duck

Apparent vanity, non-notable bio. Google shows some references to the subject (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Andrew+Duck%22) but mostly from his own campaign & supporters and Andrew "Duck" McDonald comes as high up the rankings as the subject, as do various other Andrew Ducks. This really does not look notable. The quotes are also POV. What does the panel think? Notable by virtue of running for office perhaps? - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

(the following unsigned comments added by author, anonymous user:65.150.252.45): He has been covered extensively in The Frederick News-Post [www.fredericknewspost.com]. He has a national interview lined up on Air America Radio, see link in Exteneral Links. His opponent, incumbent Roscoe Bartlett, has a Wiki page. Other such challengers have Wiki pages, see Paul Babbitt.

This is notable because he is one of only a half-dozen Iraq War Veterans running for public office in America. See: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/us_house/articles/2005/10/05/6_iraq_war_veterans_running_for_congress/

Another national article in Mother Jones magazine discussing Andrew Duck: http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2005/10/iraq_vets_running_for_congress.html

• Comment: there hasn't even been a primary right? So this guy may be one of several Democrats running for the office. If that's the case, I'd say delete until he at least wins the primary, if not until he wins the election. -- Kjkolb 20:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: In regards to the primary line of argument, I'd point everyone to Paul Hackett. Wikipedia has a very long profile on Mr. Hackett even though he's never been elected. He lost a Congressional race and is now running for the U.S. Senate in a Democratic primary. His claim to fame is that he's an Iraq War Veteran running for political office.

I also reference again Paul Babbitt. Mr. Babbitt lost his congressional election over a year ago, yet his profile still remains on Wikipedia.

Also, most comparable to Andrew Duck is David Ashe. Wiki has not flagged Mr. Ashe's entry for deletion even though his credentials are identical to Mr. Duck's. Both are Iraq War Veterans running for Congress.

I think that the Andrew Duck entry must be judged on its merits - and the merit here is that he's one of a very select group of Iraq War Veterans running for political office. That's good enough for Wiki to keep Paul Hackett's and David Ashe's profiles, it should be good enough for Andrew Duck.

• Note: Roscoe Bartlett has an article per WP:BIO as a serving member of a national legislature. Most of the others named have now been AfDd (by me) for exactly the same reason. One caveat: if someone wants to discuss the issue of war veterans running for political office in time of war (which might well have some interesting parallels with Vietnam) then brief summaries of these guys might form part of that discussion. Substantial media coverage does not make for significance - every candidate in every election goes out to garner as much media coverage as possible, and in any case that's just a version of the ad populum fallacy. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 12:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment:I believe that this page should stay, simply because it's docutmenting a series of current events in the realm of American politics during a very volatile year. I think the page should be deleted if this guy doesn't get elected, in which case it would certainly be just a vanity page about a guy with an opinion. But it seems like the historical signifigance (the fact that he's an Iraq war veteran) of his political race, gives it the necessary stuff to remain a wiki. Especially if the wiki is updated with unslanted factual stuff about the race that he's in, and not just personal bio trivia. As the race develops, so should this page, and it's possible that others might have some very good stuff to post here, but it's too soon to tell. Let's keep an eye on it, but in the mean time I would not delete it.

-frequent wiki reader

• Relisting. - Mailer Diablo 08:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: I still say delete. The man has not, as yet, established a single notable achievement (he's not even on the ticket yet, as per above comments). The existence of other people not yet flagged for AfD is not an argument for keeping this one (that's the "two wrongs" logical fallacy). - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 09:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete As per Just zis Guy, as per KJKolb. Marcus22 10:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The "Iraq war veterans running for office" angle might be worthy of an inclusive article in which Mr. Duck is mentioned. I don't think it's worthy of including an article on every possible candidate with military experience in the Gulf region. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 12:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Major publications mention him. People might come to wikipedia for more information. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Hipocrite. Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Not won the primary yet? In that case I retract my keep vote, and abstain. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Paul Hackett achieved front page attention on major newspapers. Apparently this candidate has yet to win his own party's nomination. Durova 20:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as Wikipedia is not a voter's guide. He hasn't even won the primary yet. -- Kjkolb 20:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Just zis Guy and Extreme Unction. Merely getting his name in an article or two isn't quite enough for me; I'd want to see a couple of articles about him before I'd call him notable. --William Pietri 21:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Hipocrite's inadvertent point, viz WP is not a repository of indiscriminate information for webcrawlers. Dottore So 00:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Who are you to decide the significance of other people's interests? "WP is not a repository of indiscriminate information..." I think there might be a bit of confusion in regards to the difference between assessment and assumption here. This entry was obviously not created by Andrew Duck. It's more likely the effort of an individual documenting their own local history as it's happening. Assuming the intention of this entry's creator is not what this forum is for. It's for assessing the merit of the entry itself. And Indiscriminate? There are tens of thousands of entries that are utterly useless, if not indiscriminate. Half of WP would have to be deleted if we followed that line of logic. For an interested party this page could be immensely significant. So let's lay off the elitist banter. This isn't about you and me. This is a notable entry. (I'm so glad that I stumbled onto this nonsense. Now I know what to look forward to if I ever want to create an entry. Jeez.)

-frequent wiki reader

• • I think the general point being made is that the number of interested parties, at this point in time, is likely to be negligible. Is that not assessing the merit of the entry itself? On your second point, any article you find "utterly useless" you can nominate for deletion. If the consensus of opinion is that you are right, those "utterly useless" entries will also be deleted. Seems a fair process to me! Marcus22 10:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as a blatant advertisement (which is fixable) about a minor unsuccessful candidate (which is not). - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable candidate. Xoloz 16:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per JzG and EU.  RasputinAXP  T C 19:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Xoloz. *drew 01:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep (6/1). Nom was withdrawn anyways. Shreshth91 14:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arvest Bank

Non-notable regional bank, reads like an advertisement Jasmol 19:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Weak Keep. I killed the advertising language and made a stub out of it. Might be notable enough. -- Marcika 20:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Given the criteria on company inclusion guidelines, the only test I could see it passing was "The company has more than one million customers." Couldn't find that info on the website. The marketing-language cleanup helps a lot, though. Jasmol 20:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Many, perhaps most, of the articles about companies don't meet those guidelines. They are more a deletionist fantasy about how high the bar might be set in a deletionists ideal world than a reflection of actual practice and consensus. But as they are having little effect, I can't be bothered to try to change them. CalJW 00:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

You can't be bothered to do a lot of things. I'm trying to be nice, so I won't give you a list. Denni☯ 04:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep A bank with several dozen branches. There are many articles about smaller companies. CalJW 00:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, has been cleaned up into a proper article. Bryan 00:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete In the global scheme of things, an infinitesmally small player. Denni☯ 04:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. A bank with branches in three states is large enough in my opinion. - Andre Engels 08:47, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: Notable bank whose CEO is Jim Walton. Could be important given recent news of possible emergence of Bank of Wal-Mart. --Howrealisreal 15:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Rescinded my nomnication for afd. Looks good after cleanup. Jasmol 22:06, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Asian Mom

Despite what the article claims, the term just means a mom who's Asian. The article is a fleshing out of a common stereotype and hardly encylopedic. Its only linking article is Patreesha, which has been on AfD for a few days as it is. Dyfsunctional 17:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete racist crap. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. PJM 19:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. If this article were better documented I'd consider keeping it as a description of a mild ethnic slur. As it is, it comes too close to appearing to participate in the stereotype it describes. Fails to establish its case for noteworthiness. Durova 19:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge anything useful into model minority. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 21:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment A close relative is the kyoiku mama ja:教育ママ, a Japanese mother who takes an excessive interest in her child's education. This stereotype within Japan is directed at other Japanese and is not an ethnic or racial stereotype. Fg2 04:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Askphilosophers.org

Advertising. Not notable (started last month). ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 16:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete does not meet WP:WEB, also per nom --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 16:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Interesting page though... makes me feel like an undergrad student all over again. --W.marsh 17:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:WEB, but possibly one to watch. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. encephalon 20:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 01:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Titoxd^(?!?) 06:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Astro budism

A nonsensical vanity "philosophy" that just "materialized" recently... Also, shouldn't that be "Buddhism"? CDC (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete It doesn't even mention what the heck it IS. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 23:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Original research/neologism, no claim to notability, no references or indeed verifiability, no explanation as to what it actually is... Sliggy 00:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. As per Sliggy. Cnwb 01:11, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN --Rogerd 15:41, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as nonsensical attack page.

[edit] Ayaz Kishtwari

Unverifiable. No related google results for this guys name, none of his alleged hit songs get any results either. If they were moderate hits in the UK as claimed he'd be notable, but since that claim can't be verified... seems like a hoax probably. W.marsh 01:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom. No help via Google. PJM 02:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom and PJM.
• Delete. Apparent vandalism or vanity. Poorly written, too, so even if it were real, it needs some work and we don't have any sources. splintax ^(talk) 10:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: Pretty much a vandal page: attack one's school chums. Geogre 13:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy deleted as vandalism/attack page. - Lucky 6.9 20:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete.  Denelson83  08:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AyuScience - A 5000 years old science of life for longivity.

Obvious quackery, probable advertisement. However, the term AyuScience gets just 149 results on Google (despite claims that 500,000 doctors practice it). Seems like just an advert for a non-notable product or whatever. W.marsh 01:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Ayurveda is a traditional form of Indian medicine. I found an NPOV article comparing it to Western medicine in Indian health care policy. [2] The subject is encyclopedic but this article falls so far short that there's nothing to salvage. Durova 04:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this thinly desguised ad. Ayurveda is encyclopedic (if it's not in Wikipedia, I'll create it now) but this isn't it. Ifnord 04:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, adcruft. ComCat 05:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, seems to be copied from a forum post, and at least should be renamed even if it were encyclopaedic. splintax ^(talk) 10:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Ayurveda already exists and is a fine article, Thank you --Gurubrahma 17:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Ad, vanity.-Dakota ^{t e} 17:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Advertising. No sources cited which is always important but is essential to verifiability in the case of unorthodox science, medicine. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Edwardian 00:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. jni 08:40, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Azeru

Character from a video game that doesn't have an article on WP to merge to. Non-notable. W.marsh 02:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Durova 04:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: A character from a tank fighting game? Wow. Far too granular and insignificant. Geogre 13:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Actually, Panzer Dragoon is a series of games about dragon-riding soldiers in the future, and isn't a fighting game and doesn't involve tanks. Anyway, this is a character from the game Panzer Dragoon Saga, which is currently covered in the Panzer Dragoon article. As there's no content here that could possibly add to any article about the game, redirect this article to Panzer Dragoon. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:24, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep As long as something is factual, it should stay on WP. As Jake says: "Wikipedia is going backward".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Remington and the Rattlesnakes (talk • contribs).
• Delete cuz he said keep, and like, I said the opposite--Etyheryery 04:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect as per A_Man_In_Black. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 23:10, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BA-92

Counterstrike clan with 5 members and no claim to notability other than being a CS Clan. Forum has 7 posts from 4 members. W.marsh 02:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Completely unnoteworthy. —HorsePunchKid→龜 04:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• De'leet' clan vanity page, not really noteworthy, who will care in 2 years? --Sirimiri 05:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Extreme prejudiced delete without mercy all MMORPG clans. — JIP | Talk 10:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all gaming clans. (don't forget the images). - Mgm|^(talk) 12:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per all the above. --Syrthiss 13:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. per nom. --Edcolins 20:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Some clans and teams are probably notable, not this one.-LtNOWIS 04:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:26, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete it of course. *drew 00:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Babine barricade treaty 1906

"The history is yet to be recovered..." probably explains why this is unverifiable. Probable hoax or joke. W.marsh 17:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Damn, he's right! I can't recover the history either! Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Almost all the hits from google are wikipedia mirrors. --Bachrach44 04:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Xoloz 16:55, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Back up jackson

Fleshed-out article but still fails WP:Music... 4 releases that seem to be either self-released or on a very minor label (the only mentioned label, "Warm Attic Records", gets 9 google results). Non-notable. W.marsh 17:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Nothing on major labels, last release apaprently self-published. Yet another band vanity to send the way of all such cruft. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Jasmol 22:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Xoloz 16:59, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as vanity. No "Bacon Brady" exists in the Marvel universe.

[edit] Bacon Brady

Claims to be a Marvel Comics title... so no nn-bio speedy. But as far as I can tell there is no title by that name, and no Bacon Brady character, and that's just a joke. Take that away and it's just a boring vanity article "During his free time Bacon Brady is often found playing basketball, listening to Final Fantasy music, and sleeping." W.marsh 20:30, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• He wishes he was a Marvel hero.  :) Bye, Bacon. - Lucky 6.9 20:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Badmouth

Website here.[3]. Pretty normal band vanity, has an EP or two but no evidence of a label, self-released. References a known producer but I don't see how that makes the band notable, I get the impression he just owns/works in the studio where they bought time. W.marsh 21:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Maybe one day they'll pass WP:MUSIC but they don't do so now as far as I can see. I wish them the best. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 22:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --Rogerd 15:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Keep If smoething is non-notable, it should still be on WP. Don't you want to progress forward?

• delete fails WP:MUSIC, it goes. Advertise somewhere else. Pete.Hurd 23:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 00:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bagurk

Somewhat lengthy writeup for a non-notable neologism. 1,400 results on google [4] apparently none of which really verify term, nothing on Urban Dictionary. [5] W.marsh 23:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete May be a hoax. Google finds a lot of hits on message-board postings by bagurk "the noise a chicken makes". - Dalbury (talk) 01:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not only is Wikipedia not a dictionary, but a phrase that is 'not in regular use, except among some small communities or groups of friends or peers.' (quote from the page itself) does not even belong in Wiktionary. - Andre Engels 08:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Andre Engels, who speaks my mind on this issue. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 12:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 15:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki In retrospect, Wiktionary is indeed the better place for this article. I would point out that all words have their origin somewhere; and also that just because it isn't in Urban Dictionary doesn't mean it's not in use. In regard to Dalbury's comment - bagurk (or, at least one of them, though most of them are probably one and the same) is the Lawrence mentioned in the article (see [6]). I attend UQ and can vouch for its usage amoung people there. If usage of the expression continues to spread (I have witnessed this, hence my motivation for creating the article), it may very well end up in Wiktionary sooner or later anyway. Fraser Tweedale 10:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BCADA

Joke article pretty much. Claims to be some drinking club or something related to a frat... not particularly notable even if this could be verified. Claims in the article of recognition (by NAMBLA among others, what an honor) are almost certainly jokes. W.marsh 03:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Durova 04:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as not-notable. A1kmm 10:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as vandalism: run of the mill boredom of the brainless. Geogre 13:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, speedy if possible. This is a kind of group that would be made speediable under my proposed Expansion of CSD A7. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 20:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:24, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 00:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beerdick

Neologism. A google search turned up a few instances, mostly nicks and handles. A single frat defines it with a rather different definition. Even if it meant this, and even if the usage were popular, I can't see it ever being more than a dicdef. Demi ^T/_C 07:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete (initial vote as nominator) Demi ^T/_C 07:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: neologism, NN, dicdef; take your pick. —HorsePunchKid→龜 07:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I call this fratcruft. (btw this term isn't even on Urban Dictionary)--W.marsh 07:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN --Rogerd 05:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 01:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Belle Vue (Band)

A one-sentence substub on a band, explaining the origin of the band's name. The linked BBC article indicates that they're an up-and-coming Manchester band -- but gives no indication that they're known outside that city. Appears to fail WP:MUSIC on all counts. --Carnildo 18:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. No valid matches via allmusic.com or Google, as far as I can see. NN. PJM 18:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, speedy if possible. This is a kind of group that would be made speediable under my proposed Expansion of CSD A7. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 21:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn Spearhead 15:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep (I added a {{cleanup}} tag to it as well). Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bernard Nathanson

Article has no references whatsoever to support its claims is highly POV and of a contentious nature; I see no reason for it to be kept. Bumm13 05:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and improve. Dr. Bernard Nathanson is a prominent figure in the U.S. abortion policy debate. He co-founded the National Abortion Rights Action League, then had a change of heart and created several books and films for the other side. NARAL remains a leading pro-choice advocate while his anti-abortion film The Silent Scream got widespread attention in the 1980s. Like him or not, he is noteworthy. Durova 06:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I can't see merging him anywhere and maintaining NPOV. He's been prominent on both sides of the issue. Durova 07:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into NARAL, which is what he's notable for. -- Kjkolb 07:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and improve. Merging with NARAL might be okay but he may be notable enough on his own. Swegner 07:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, cleanup, verify and expand. After helping to found NARAL, he moved to the anti-abortion side of the debate by writing books and producing the well-known Silent Scream video. "Bernard Nathanson" gets 45,400 Google hits see [7] while a merge with NARAL would be inappropriate given that he is better known these days as a staunch opponent of abortion. His quote about a "silent scream" in the New York Times made a Book of Quotations published in 1988 see [8]. Capitalistroadster 08:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep on the grounds that users might legitimately want to seek this, and that the article needs scope to improve. A1kmm 10:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Cleanup. Deserves an article, but this one is not it. - Andre Engels 14:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep with obvious cleanup. Figure is a notable example of America's quixotic abortion wars. Dottore So 23:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Cleanup. I think this is very relevant information, but the article in which it is presented requires an overhaul.
• Keep He is a noteworthy guy and several pages link to this one. Although I'd agree with cleanup, better sourcing, and assuring balance.--T. Anthony 05:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] B.G. Knock Out

Poorly edited, I also did a google search got some hits for lyrics to B.G. but nothing at all close to this article Delete KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 01:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, reads almost like patent nonsense. Ifnord 04:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• This article is not patent nonsense, but a biography of an actual rap music artist with an Allmusic entry. Apparently he only recorded one album, which hit #128 on Billboard magazine's main album chart but #15 on the R&B/Hip Hop album chart. So far, he appears to be borderline in terms of whether he satisfies any WP:MUSIC criteria, but I am open to further information. Unfortunately, this article is not of encyclopedic quality; it even misspells the artist's name, which should be "BG Knocc Out". Delete based on current content, but if someone turns this into a quality article before the AfD is out, I will change my vote. --Metropolitan90 07:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or Extreme 3D Cleanup with Sprinkles. I'm open to the existence of an article on this subject based on Metropolitan90's searches, but this article isn't it without a metric ton of cleanup. --Syrthiss 13:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: Even if it were cleaned up, it would be under a new title and therefore a different article. Geogre 13:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:20, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 23:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 00:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bl. Anthony Fantosat

This is "complete bollocks," a term first seen by me in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poffenberger.WAvegetarian 23:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete "Saint of vaginal secretions"? yeaaaah. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 23:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Utter rubbish. - Dalbury (talk) 01:48, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete hoax --Bachrach44 03:54, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - Tommyrot, poppycock, balderdash, and rubbish. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 12:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete hoax --Rogerd 15:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Titoxd^(?!?) 06:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Black and Cracker

Dictionary definition, and original research. —Cleared as filed. 12:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. NN slang. PJM 13:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as spurious neologism; no real evidence that this usage has any currency (so no transwiki). Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 13:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• delete as per nom Pete.Hurd 00:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 01:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bloghi

non-notable website. under 1000 users. advertising cruft. this article was created and modified by only one user, and that user has only edited this article. probable vanity. 12.22.157.254 16:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• delete per nomination 12.22.157.254 16:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete alexa rank 32,157. Doesn't really seem to be an active enough community to warrant an encyclopedia article. No other claims to notability. --W.marsh 16:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Jasmol 17:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete spam. But wait! It advertises blogspam prevention! Perhaps the admins could buy that and keep the blogspam off WP? Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 01:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bordeaux motion pictures

Non notable: films not on IMDB, no Google results for "Bordeaux Motion Pictures" Ze miguel 14:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 15:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Xoloz 16:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. *drew 01:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Titoxd^(?!?) 06:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] British Isles profanity

Delete. A hopelessly incomplete list of 'profanities' with no scholarly or encyclopaedic analysis. Listcruft, slang, dicdefs...be gone! Eddie.willers 00:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, like Finnish profanity. Alternatively, categorize by splitting into separate articles for each word. Kappa 00:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. but Finnish profanity discusses the usage and some history of each word, while this article is just a list of taboo words and euphemisms with no context. - Dalbury (talk) 12:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep... but clean it up! Jamie 00:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• keep please we have other profanities like this Yuckfoo 01:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I'm not convinced "British Isles" is a very good delineation, but I'll have to lean towards keep in the hope that it can be cleaned up into something at least marginally similar to the Finnish profanity page mentioned above. Turnstep 02:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep but possibly move to a better title per Turnstep. --Quasipalm 03:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - not encyclopedic. Pintele Yid 06:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. People keep writing articles about various individual profanity words, such a list provides a suitable merge target. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment This is bordering on nonsense. Assuming the article is kept, lets make sure we keep an eye on it and resubmit as an AfD should the list not be soon improved. Marcus22 10:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, but rename to something like "British profanity" or "Commonwealth profanity", and get rid of all the empty sections. — JIP | Talk 10:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Rename to British profanity to stay in line with classification by language and not geographical area (Finnish profanity). Only make separate articles for the words that can be discussed beyond dicdeffism. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • "British" isn't a language, and this list apparently intends to discuss profanity in all the languages of the British Isles - so if you want it classified by language and not geographical area, you're voting to split the article, not to rename it. — Haeleth Talk 17:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong delete. I thought at first that the string of "keep"'s above must be sock puppets. We already have profanities well covered in Profanity and category:Profanity. Surely all the words listed so far are universal throughout the English-swearing world. I do not think there are many regional variations worth noting and this article fails to note them anyway. -- RHaworth 11:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I agree with User:RHaworth - Dalbury (talk) 12:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: Replication of material covered in several places. We have "List of" X profanity, "British" by another name profanity, etc. Please, kiddies looking for "shit" in the dictionary is one thing, but cross-indexing "shit" to twelve different locations is another. Geogre 13:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete silly schoolboy toilet humour page. This is just a bit of sniggering nonsense and has no encyclopaedic merit at all. It makes no attempt to discuss the origins or distinct usages of those words characteristic of British usage, and it is, in short, complete bollocks. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per RHaworth --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 15:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, more listcruft... besides, there is absolutely nothing of value here that could not be added to Profanity.--Isotope23 17:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete obviously. Dottore So 17:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: this is supposed to be a bloody encyclopedia, not a list of useless lists. — Haeleth Talk 17:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. --hydnjo talk 20:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unencyclopedic, and duplicates existing articles like profanity. A list of words does not an encyclopedia article make. CDC (talk) 22:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, simple. Melchoir 23:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete As Cdc said, a list of words, even a list of words with definitions, does not an encyclopedia article make. The Literate Engineer 00:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep because if it were "complete" and contained "encyclopedic analysis" then it would be worthy of inclusion. Wikipedia is a work in progress, articles shouldn't be deleted just because they're rough. Bryan 00:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong delete. Not only is this a list of words and their definitions (WP is not a dictionary), whose only possible expansion is the addition of etymology (WP is STILL not a dictionary), it's a DUPLICATE of other lists elsewhere. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete In principle, a good topic for an article, especially the differences between British and North American usage. However, this article is profoundly incomplete and badly formed. Best to start from scratch. Denni☯ 02:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per others, and because it's useless, unencyclopaedic, listcruft, and refers to a linguistic question by a very wide geographical area composing two very distinct countries rather than by a language variety or linguistically cohesive region as would be more logical. Palmiro | Talk 20:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all unverified --redstucco 09:23, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per RHaworth and geogre. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP. Certainly clean up. Certainly don't delete. And the ideal thing for this article, in its cleanup, is that it become more than just a list. It should even be more than just a glossary. It should have not only definitions and etymology, but comments on the social context, including in which regions terms are used, at what times they have been considered more, and less, objectionable, whether they are more common in certain social groups, when they began to be carried in mainstream media (TV, radio, newspapers, &c.), when they were and weren't printed by mainstream publishing houses, equivalents in foreign languages, how they have spread to English in other parts of the world, how their definitions have changed in different places or even in the same places, &c. Profanity is an integral part of most languages; British profanity is a fascinating part of English. The topic deserves a good Wikipedia article. The article in its present state is a messy list. The list needs serious work; and the result of the serious work needs to stay on Wikipedia, not be thrown out. When your hands are messy, you wash them; you don't cut them off and consider maybe getting some new ones in the future. President Lethe 16:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Unorganised article, unencyclopedic. *drew 22:29, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete, non-notable person. Thue | talk 23:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Callum harries

Not notable Dangherous 21:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete or speedy as nn-bio. —HorsePunchKid→龜 21:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete. Bio-article that makes no attempt to establish notability. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 22:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] CFO Forum

Website advertising spam; not notable; makes no attempt to establish importance; should be deleted. —HorsePunchKid→龜 07:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as spam. Durova 08:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless someone can establish more notability, I don't think it's spam though. A meeting of influential businesspeople, that could have some notable consequences. Or not. 2 results on Google News [9] so I'm leaning towards not.

--W.marsh 08:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: WHOIS shows registered recently(Date registered: 04-05-2004), Google PageRank is "2". A1kmm 09:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: (I am the author of the stub.) This article is not spam. I wrote the stub and included the link because the article Embedded value had a missing reference to it and I wanted to give a hint to the correct web site. CFO Forum is referred to in publications on recent developments in the insurance industry from Price Waterhouse Coopers and Towers Perrin and UK actuaries with reference to European Embedded Value. Unfortunately none of these papers contain links to the "official" CFO Forum site. This why it does not appear to be important on Google. Dbroenni 15:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Major European insurance companies are probably notable. Their CFOs are possibly notable. A working group of theirs is not notable merely for existing. Get yourselves an article or two in The Economist and resubmit. --William Pietri 21:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nothing of note here. Dottore So 23:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. *drew 01:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Ingoolemo ^talk 05:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cheapskating

Little used slang term. Supposedly from Motley Fool, but googling cheapskating "Motley Fool" returns nothing aside from this stub. Text implies it is synonymous with frugal living, but Google results show little currency for this use. Dforest 13:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Dforest 13:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to frugality (see also: tightwaddery). --fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 17:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Like tightwaddery, cheapskating is a pejorative term, but frugality is a virtue. The current text states it is "often incorrectly confused with cheapness or miserliness". So I don't think it appropriate to redirect there. We have cheapskate, which IMO should probably be redirected to miser. Dforest 08:31, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I am relisting this AFD in hopes it might accrue further comment. Regards encephalon 03:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. "Cheapskating" is not a word. Cheapskate is not a verb. User:Zoe|^(talk) 03:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this atrociously ungrammatical neologism. Worst case, if you really think someone is going to type it into the search box, make a redirect to frugality, as per User:fuddlemark. —HorsePunchKid→龜 04:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to cheapskate. Deltabeignet 04:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete.  Denelson83  08:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chocolate skunk

Nonsensical neologism, just barely above CSD Ashibaka (tock) 00:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Practically patent nonsense. Turnstep 01:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Quite a stinky neo, isn't it. PJM 02:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• I think it could have been speedied, so Delete, sans doute. --DavidConrad 05:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Delete - someone told me on the village pump that nonsense articles can be speedy deleted by administrators. If that's true, can't an administrator simply delete this one? Pintele Yid 06:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete It's not patent nonsense, but it is a neologism--I couldn't find any evidence the term is actually used this way, except for one reference. Demi ^T/_C 07:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete dic def. Can you share the reference you found. All I found was related to modelled chocolate. Yummy! - Mgm|^(talk) 11:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Sure: here it is. It sounds like the article was taken from the website or maybe it's the same guy. Didn't spend a whole lot of time pondering. Demi ^T/_C 06:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom., dicdef. - Dalbury (talk) 12:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nonsense. Ze miguel 13:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete neologism with no evidence of significant currency Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Terrible. 10:52, 10 November 2005 (EST)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cobb's Curve

This appears to be original research, and entering the article name into Google only returns two hits.  Denelson83  04:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - Concur with Denelson83. The two hits he mentions aren't about the article topic, either. Article says it's not in medical dictionaries yet, but it seems like the kind of thing that would be discussed on line somewhere. Okay, groups.google.com did come up with one hit for the relevant meaning. Anyway, seems like a neologism. FreplySpang (talk) 05:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete under WP:NOR and WP:V. No verifiable evidence of these claims let alone from a vaguely credible source. Capitalistroadster 05:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete OR/per nom --Rogerd 05:31, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 00:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep (I added a {{cleanup}} tag, though). Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Corruption in Mumbai

POV rant. User:Zoe|^(talk) 05:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. legitimate topic. Should move to Corruption in Mumbai --Vsion 05:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Neutral. Legitimate topic, extremely POV, looks like original research. Sadly, this may be the work of an earnest person on a crusade for the greater good. I hope the press picks up the issue. Better suited for a private website. Durova 05:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Rant at present but needs some editing to get more matter of fact and neutral. That will take some time as i collect my thoughts and get time to edit the page. Anyway even if it is deleted, just let me know so that i save it somewhere else. Thanks.

• You should save a copy now. When it is deleted, it will be too late. --Vsion 06:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• This page may be relevant for tourists and foreign institutional investors. Unless these issues begin to be addressed, the increasing misgovernance will cause problems for future investors in the long run as crime and instability increase.User:Hiphop2 10 Nov 2005
  • Comment As a major contributor to the article, you should mention that connection when commenting here. - Dalbury (talk) 20:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. It is highly POV but it only needs someone with knowledge in that area to fix it. A1kmm 10:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I do agree. The article requires encyclopedic 'touch'. --Bhadani 13:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

KEEP I think that this article proves to me one of the few measures to compile and distribute information on corruption amongst other Indians in general and thus remains as a trivial process in the eradication of it. I feel that the article shows what is done and the problems with it so that future generations can improve in the process. The article provides vital information to many people who, though they have a high loyalty to the Tiranga, are illiterate in this particular subject. Thus, I strongly state that this article should be kept at any and all costs. If, however, you do decide to remove this article, please contact me so that I can save a copy of it somewhere else. -- Koyla 20:55, 10 November 2005

• Moved article to correct capitalization -- no vote on delete/keep. --Quasipalm 15:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep but it could really do with a clean up and some wikification. --Apyule 09:16, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dana Presson II

Highly POV article about a member of a band up for AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War Machine (band)) - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

• This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 11:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks Cryptic, I think I had an edit conflict and didn't notice. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 11:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. As per JZG above. The article also has the faint whiff of vanity about it. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 13:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. PJM 14:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 23:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Xoloz 16:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 06:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dark age

Resolving a conflict over whether the dark age page should exist. I agree it's not the best-written article, but if we have a speculative End of civilization article we should also try to build an article dealing with a civilization at its nadir. The Dark Ages page is specific to the 4th to 10th century. Timvasquez 18:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: Redirects to the disambiguation page. Bjelleklang - talk 18:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Reply: Appears to be fixed now. -Timvasquez 19:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect -- this page has always been a redirect to Dark Ages (disambiguation). "Dark Age" means a lot of things, thats why we have a disambiguation page. There is no such thing as "civilization at its nadir called dark age", pure nonesense and original research by Timvasquez. I challenge him to provide academic citations that prove such a concept exists, we allready have articles for the few "dark ages" that are commonly recognized, but there is no general term that corosponds to "civilization at its nadir". In any case the article is a simplistic summary of whats allready contained in other articles, it's a repeat, we allready have articles, its a fork in an attempt to create a new concept. "Dark Age" is an ambigious term that is handled on the disambigutation page. Stbalbach 20:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: Timvasquez is "resolving a conflict" by using the VfD process. Obviously, "Dark Age" should not be deleted, it's a question of redirect. This is a disingenuous VfD. Stbalbach 20:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: The above Stbalbach is the individual who deleted the article; he is party to the dispute. I am abstaining. -Timvasquez 21:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Restore the original Redirect page as it existed prior to Timvasquez mucking about with it. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 20:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and moderate the apparent dispute. The article deserves some sort of flag. It's a legitimate historical concept that refers to the lack of primary source documents for periods following a civilization's collapse. The era following the fall of Rome is only the most famous example. Any attempt to link this with POV original research about hypothetical end-of-the-world scenarios looks highly inappropriate. Durova 20:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Several long private messages came to me following this vote. To clarify: I agree the article needs cleanup. Advocates for deletion seem to proceed from the assumption that the centuries in Europe following the collapse of Rome are historically unique. Other dark ages, most notably the era in Greece following the fall of Mycenae, meet their strict interpretation of Petrarch's use of the term. My challenge to demonstrate a difference met obfuscation. I am therefore changing my vote to strong keep with the conclusion that the drive to delete is POV.

• Keep for now, but move, so the redirect can be replaced. I suggest a name like Dark age (history) or Dark age (civilization).

• Comment, delete, and redirect. What dispute? The article in question has been a redirect for the past year or so, until Timvasquez created an article, which should be deleted as there already exists an article. Delete this, and restore the redirect to the disambiguation page!. Bjelleklang - talk 23:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, a reasonable subject to have an article on and if it's under a different title then a redirect will be valuable. Bryan 00:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Until something better comes along, this will do. There is absolutely no doubt of the validity of the term; what is necessary here is scholarly expansion. Denni☯ 04:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Done. See Dark Ages and Dark Ages (disambiguation). There are only a few specific periods were the term is applied by scholars, and they allready have articles. For Wikipedians to apply it universally, to other periods, is original research and is not supportable. Stbalbach 05:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep—and muchly expand, so that it's more useful. President Lethe 21:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dave Elman Induction

Script and how to for hypnosis sessions. Wikipedia is not an how to guide. -- RHaworth 12:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 12:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. PJM 14:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, the script is probably a copyvio. If it can be confirmed this technique is as powerful as claimed, Dave Elman could be expanded a little. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 01:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 06:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] David Ashe

Minor politician, not yet elected, fails WP:BIO - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 10:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, major party candidate for national office. Kappa 12:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. There are 435 congressional districts within the United States. These seats come up for re-election every two years. Having a seperate article for every candidate who runs in each of these 435 districts every two years will provide us with a raft of articles of people who are notable solely for their failure to win a Congressional election. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 13:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I think that people interested in US politics might find this article useful. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Sjakkalle. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC) - note - individual mentioned in major national publications. People may come to wikipedia for more info after reading about him. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Extreme Unction. - Andre Engels 14:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Sjakkalle. Wikipedia is not paper, and major party candidates for national offices strike me as inherently notable even if they are not elected. Smerdis of Tlön 15:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, we have hundreds of articles on Canadian candidates, and I see no reason why American ones should be treated differently. - SimonP 15:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• This sure looks like promotion to me. Delete. If he wins and a useful article can be written about him, I have no prejudice against recreation. Friday (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, because losing in one of over four hundred races every two years for the last few hundred is not notable. And yes, we should probably chainsaw articles on Canadian politicians who have never won, too. Lord Bob 17:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: If people think candidates for major office are inherently notable, why is that not listed as a criterion for inclusion per WP:BIO? It's pretty explicit: you have to be elected to a major office. Some of these guys are not even on the ticket yet! - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 18:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Extreme Unction. -- Kjkolb 20:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Just zis Guy, you know?'s point is well-taken. Also, someone should vet the above-referenced list of canadian candidate cruft (per Lord Bob) and put the losers into a single AfD so we can get rid of them as well. Dottore So 00:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Unction and Bob. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:20, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. It boggles my mind that people would want to delete an article on a current major-party congressional candidate. People are going to want to know about the candidates running for office. According to JzGyk's reasoning, H. Ross Perot wouldn't qualify for an article as a politician. -- Mwalcoff 04:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • You mean, the founder of one of the few significant third parties in American politics in the last 50 years? Sounds like a claim of notability to me, even if we categorically disqualified failing in an election as a claim to notability. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 04:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, the Perot comparison is informative. Perot founded EDS (WP:CORP), put up the capital for NeXT, and was probably the most-publicised third-party candidate in a US election in recent times (although Ralph Nader is also a contender for that). Even if Perot had never run for office, he would still be notable. And if he were not notable independently, his running twice for the office of President of the US against both major parties might arguably qualify him. Ashe is a hopeful for a much less important office, and completely lacks the other claims to notability. I urge the keep voters to read WP:BIO and cite which criteria Ashe meets. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 10:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Extreme Unction. Xoloz 16:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: I'd like to point out that congressional candidates now meet WP:BIO. Two weeks ago, I suggested on the talk page that congressional and legislative candidates should be considered automatically notable. The only objection was that it should be limited to credible candidates. I went ahead and made the change before reading AfD Thursday. Anyway, it seems to that BIO lists people who should gain automatic recognition but does not claim that anyone not on the list should be deleted. -- Mwalcoff 22:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. *drew 01:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] David Pollicutt

NN. I found no meaningful matches via Google. Delete. PJM 13:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• NN? There's a claim to notability in there, and it's a good one (author of a book, he was featured heavily in news coverage, etc.). However, Google and amazon.com both swear he doesn't exist, which seems odd for someone with his profile. So delete as a hoax. PJM, please try to expend a bit more effort into your nominations. By saying "nn" when nominating someone who'd be clearly notable by anyone's standards (if he were verifiable) you just look foolish, and it's not good to have non-fools looking foolish. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your constructive advice and insight on using the NN term. I used NN only because of the result of my search, which basically made me disregard the claims of notability made in the article. PJM 14:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. If what the article says is true, he should be easily findable through Google, but I cannot find him through his name, nor those of his books, nor as a boyfriend of Kimberley Walsh. Apparently the article is simply incorrect. - Andre Engels 14:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as unbelievable and even if it was, non-notable. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 15:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Mark and Andre's reasoning.--PTSE 00:48, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax or at best unverifiable, per fuddlemark and Andre Engels. --Metropolitan90 05:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Hoax. *drew 01:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Depo

Non-notable neologism needs nixing. The only clear reference I can find is to urbandictionary, and I hope that's not sufficient grounds for keeping it! —HorsePunchKid→龜 07:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Durova 08:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, the article even admits it is an a "secret code word" used by a small group of people.

It's a fairly large group —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.52.215.115 (talk • contribs).

• Delete per nominator. *drew 01:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted by User:Doc glasgow. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Derek Graf

nn-bio BeteNoir 10:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• SpeedyDelete grafitti/vandalism BeteNoir 10:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. -R. fiend 23:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Derek Hinch

Delete: Abusive Nonsense. Hu 18:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Budgiekiller 18:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, db-attack. PJM 18:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and tagged per above. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 18:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete the quicker the better --Bachrach44 19:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete nn-bio. I removed the personal attacks, leaving only the birth location. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete. Shreshth91 14:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Diana Saliba

Seems like a contact-ad Huldra 10:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• speedy deleteDavidrowe 10:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ditch pudding

This appears to be a neologism. Most google results are copies of a list of alternate plant names, if you exclude pennyroyal from the search you get 7 results [10] none of which are relevant. Indium 10:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete NN neologism Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 12:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• delete as per above.  RasputinAXP  T C 19:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 01:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dow Chemical Company/Locations

Though the company is notable, but the a list of unexplained locations that show no notability doesn't really belong here. Also, this list exists on the company page. Fallsend 00:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - Per Nomination. Fallsend 00:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Anyone searching for such information would check our article where it is already listed. I doubt that many people would search for an article under such a name in any case. Capitalistroadster 00:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, but link from main page. Perhaps the creator was trying to move it off of the main DOW page. This seems like a good idea, as the list now accounts for half of the article's (vertical) length. Long lists in general should have their own page, and it would significantly shorten and cleanup the DOW page. Turnstep 21:15, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

  Update: Would support delete if a link to an external page with the same info was linked to. Turnstep 01:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• UE, D. ComCat 05:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Seems to be a typo or something in above attempt to vote? Dlyons493 Talk 02:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete This could go on the company page. Pintele Yid 06:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• It already is there. They used the subpage for transclusion which muddles the editability of the page. Merge back into the article and decide if it's worth to keep there. Doesn't the official site have a list of locations for easy reference. It would safe a lot of space in teh article if we referred to that. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - duplicate info. Ze miguel 13:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as unnecessary, and in any case, per Mgm, maintenance of the list can safely be left to Dow's webmasters, who have a page which already does that. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and rename something like List of Locations of Dow Chemical Company. Remove from article and link to list. Fg2 04:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge as per Mgm. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Duplicate info. *drew 22:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was userfied to User:Allen Dudnikoff/genealogy, give the guy a break... --Titoxd^(?!?) 06:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dudnikoff

Appears to be geneology, doesn't appear to be noteable, and has a faint whiff of vanity about it. Page was created by Allen Dudnikoff, who has no other contributions to his name. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 21:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment - The AfD notification has already been removed once by someone. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 21:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Less than 100 google results for Dudnikoff, about half of the English ones are about Allen, the creator of the article. Indium 22:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep I'm a bit torn. It doesn't look like much but it could just possibly be encyclopedic material. Can we give it a bit more time, ask the author to cite sources and see if anything turns up? - Haukur Þorgeirsson 22:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Hey Okay, here is the story... I've been going around and asking my realitives about my family history.. this is the information I've gotten along with some info about a Former Soviet Village called Dudnika, I put this artical together... there is a beter history somewhere I don't know where based on the fact that there are really just 10 Dudnikoffs in the world living I'll possibly never know it. I've tried research and asking my realitives in Moscow, they tell me the same stories... I geuss it possibly wrong.. but it could have fact there also.
  • Okay, glad you've found your way here. If you want the article to be kept you've got to cite some published books or other verifiable sources for the information. They don't have to be in English. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 23:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • The problem you run into there is that you've done original geneological research. And Wikipedia has a no original research policy. Just sayin'. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 22:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Unless any of this can be sourced it qualifies as OR. --JJay 22:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Userfy to User:Allen Dudnikoff howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 23:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as original research not verified by any references. Tupsharru 07:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ethan Epstein

Looks like a vanity biography. The two ostensibly important external links are in fact worthless. Delete User:Ethanepstein's autobiography.

• Delete under WP:VAIN and WP:BIO. Most of Epstein's publications appeared in his college newspaper; he also had a couple of letters to the editor published in The Nation and a Korean newspaper. This is not enough to qualify a person for a Wikipedia article. --Metropolitan90 07:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity and much of this is unverifiable in any case. Gamaliel 07:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I just read what qualifies as a 'vanity entry.' Sorry guys; put it outs of its misery. -Ethan
• Userfy to User:Ethanepstein. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 20:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:32, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity bio. *drew 00:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Etheism

I looked around but found little evidence of any widespread currency for this term other than the author's own website and promotion thereof. I'd say it's a neologism, a failed WP:WEB, reeks of original research, and probably some other things too. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 15:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• I'd say you're right. Delete as per nom. Lord Bob 17:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Jasmol 17:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• delete as per nom Pete.Hurd 00:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Self-promotion, nn. *drew 01:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 06:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] EvolvingArt

Someone trying to use Wikipedia as a platform for an art project (if I understand the article correctly) -- Ferkelparade π 10:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete promotion. Can't this be 'speedied as primarily a link? Maybe not. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 12:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Evolutionary art --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 16:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, advert. Doesn't appear to be a useful redirect candidate. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:40, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Ads. *drew 01:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy Keep after nomination withdrawn. Xoloz 17:17, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] False Doppler

A term invented by some wikipedia contributor--as it says in the article. This page is a borderline vanity page, and it is definitely a neologism. As such, it deserves to be deleted. Wikipedia is a reference page. There should only be articles that refer to objects, people and concepts that exist outside of wikipedia. 86.138.6.46 22:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)I had no idea that this article actually had a good version once. I just saw the current revision and totally flipped at how awful it was. I change my vote to revert.

Note: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/False Doppler for first round of AFD.

• Delete. WP:NOR. There's a place for this kind of essay and that's Eric Baird's own web site, NOT Wikipedia. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Man, I got taken for a sucker. Strong keep per ExtremeUnction. I think I have a bridge to go buy... --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 01:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Sweet hopping Jeebus. This is ugly.

For anyone who wants to vote on this entry, here are some salient facts:

Fact 1: The article was created on July 9th, 2005. From the creation of the article up until October 3rd, the article appeared to be a normal scientific wikipedia article. Interested readers are cordially invited to examine the early drafts of the article.

Fact 2: The article was nominated for deletion on September 24th, and was ruled as a "Keep" on October 2nd. On October 3rd, the article was edited by an unsigned user, and, for the first time, the article makes the claim that the term was invented by the article's original author. Prior to the AfD vote (and subsequent "keep" ruling), the article mentioned that the effect was described by Oliver Lodge, a 19th century scientist. Since that time, the article has been systematically altered by a series of anonymous users to make the article appear as unprofessional (and as AfD-worthy) as possible.

Fact 3: The talk page of the article is instructive. It is filled with shrill accusations and chest-beating, levelled at the original author. The original author of the article cites his sources and generally makes a credible argument for his position. The person levelling the accusation...does not.

Fact 4: Googling on the phrase "False Doppler" turns up 314 hits. Examining the various webpages which turn up indicates a common theme: The "false doppler" effect involves motion perpendicular to a stationary observer. That is, moving neither towards nor away from the stationary observer, but rather moving "transversely," as a car, on the road, driving past you, on the sidewalk. Which is what the original "false doppler" article was also about.

Conclusion: I smell a crank. And it's not the original author of the article. If the person who put this article up for nomination isn't the same person nominated it previously, and then took a steaming dump all over the article and its associated talk page after the original AfD failed, I'll eat my hat.

And I have a BIG hat.

So. Keep the article, restore it to its 17:34, September 5, 2005 revision, and block the crank that's using Wikipedia to harass someone who knows how to cite a source. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 01:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Keep and revert per Extreme Unction. Saberwyn 03:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and revert per Extreme Unction. I'm giving the original author a Barnstar. Someone please report the vandal. Durova 03:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. I've reverted all the vandalism out of the article. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 05:52, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was move to Fire and Ice (documentary) and clean up. · Katefan0^(scribble) 21:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fire and ice

Advertising, but listed here because it might clean-up into something... but then might become just non-notable. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 12:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as spam. There appears to be a possibly notable animation of this name, but this is not it. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 12:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Move or delete. No opinion on whether the content is salvageable, but this title should be redirected to Fire and Ice afterwards. —Cryptic (talk) 13:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep as the film is probably worthy of an article, but needs to be cleaned up to remove advertising copy. It also needs to be renamed so it isn't the same as the disambiguation page and isn't confused with the Frank Frazetta animated film, which is undeniably notable. 23skidoo 22:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Winter War where a "Media" section can be added with a brief summary of this documentary. — RJH 15:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep and clean-up. Bowever, it must be moved into "Fire and ice (documentary)" or something, because Fire and Ice is already a disambig page. If it is kept, it should be mentioned there. If it is not kept, it should be made into a redirect to Fire and Ice. — JIP | Talk 19:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was merge and redirect. Rossami (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fluffy Friendly Federation

Normally I would WP:Be bold and merge this into the main article on the Kindom of Lovely but here I am perplexed. I could defend a merge and redirect with some ease, but I am wondering whether Lovely (micronation) should be here at all. So, what does the panel think? Merge and redirect? Or should I be more ambitious and merge Lovely (micronation) into the author's own article? - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 12:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Lovely (micronation) should definitly stay as a notable (but not serious) attempt to create a micronation. Fluffy Friendly Federation should be merged with Lovely (micronation). --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 16:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge, though I don't think Kindom of Lovely should have an article either. -- Kjkolb 21:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fudge riot

original research, seems like cruft --Phil 03:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Speedy delete. Hoax. The bandleader gets zero hits on Google. Seven unrelated returns for the supposed band name. This makes absurd claims for multiplatinum punk rock singles a decade before the genre existed. Durova 04:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Unverifiable. Being a suspected hoax isn't a criteria for a speedy. --W.marsh 07:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete --Syrthiss 13:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: Being vandalism and being an attack page are both criteria, and the "I suck iguana tail records" sure seems like a kiddie attack. The rest of it seems like the knowingly untrue statements necessary for vandalism. All of which is not to say that folks should be too fast on the trigger or button, nor to criticize W.marsh's preference of VfD to CSD, but these sorts of articles are routine and fairly clear. Having been listed here and having multiple eyeballs look at it, moving it to CSD later seems reasonable in the absence of any defenders. Geogre 13:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:24, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Geogre. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 00:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete, nonsense. Thue | talk 22:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gabilondo

No meaningful content Budgiekiller 17:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Speedy delete nonsense. Jasmol 18:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, db-nonsense. PJM 19:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as it meets the narrow criteria in WP:PN. Have tagged as such encephalon 20:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Global it

Company self-promotion. Fails WP:CORP. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, Jamie 00:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, the horrible misspellings only emphasize its nonimportance. A real company would make a better effort. Turnstep 01:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete --Quasipalm 03:30, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Delete - vanity. Pintele Yid 06:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom. - Dalbury (talk) 12:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete -- Ze miguel 13:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete spam Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete spam, a lot of typos. 10:51, 10 November 2005 (EST)
• Delete. Spam. *drew 22:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was already speedied. — brighterorange (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gordon Lamb

nn-bio grafitti vandalism BeteNoir 10:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hadriel

Poorly written entry for a minor video game character. It's possible that this character warrants a mention somewhere (possibly in the Diablo II article), but I don't think it warrants a complete article on its own. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 16:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Agree...most main characters probably belong in main article as well (with short summaries), except maybe for exceptionally popular or notable games. Jasmol 17:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or maybe merge if anyone can be bothered. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. It's not even worthy of a merge with the DiabloII article, which currently does not have a minor character list. PJM 19:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Appears to be a minor game character. *drew 01:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Half-gays

A theory that there are two portions of an individual that are "mutated" when they are gay. Original research, and fairly bigoted research at that. Meelar (talk) 06:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• • Speedy delete. POV original research, absurd and bigoted. Durova 06:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

This is just an idea and i do not see how it is bigoted. I am doing this to get my idea out because I do not have the capabilites nor the knowledge of how to aquire data proving my theory. There is nothing wrong with presenting mere ideas to people (when i said "I believe").

• Delete per Wikipedia:No Original Research. NatusRoma 06:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nice example of why the Wikipedia:No Original Research policy is a good idea for an encyclopedia. --W.marsh 07:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Edwardian 08:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOR A1kmm 09:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• "I believe..."? Delete; this isn't even research. --Zetawoof 09:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, original research. "I believe". Yeah, right. As if encyclopedia articles "believed" anything. — JIP | Talk 10:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not the place to announce non-researched original ideas either. As far as I know there's not even consensus about the effects of genetics on sexuality. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. "I do not have the capabilites nor the knowledge of how to aquire data proving my theory." If you don't have the knowledge, don't post it on an encyclopedia. 11:12, 10 November 2005 (EST)
• Delete per above. --Syrthiss 20:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Baseless speculation is never encyclopedic. Jtmichcock 05:42, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Small, small chance that this idea could be added to a page listing theories about origins/causes of homosexuality. But the piece itself is way below Wikipedia standards. President Lethe 16:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity, original research. *drew 01:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was already speedied. — brighterorange (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Harper Sibley, Jr

no claim to notability, or anything really identifyingDavidrowe 10:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - although there is a claim to notability, there is just no attempt to substantiate the claim. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 11:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - random rambling. - Andre Engels 14:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was already speedied. — brighterorange (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] HCFSM

HCFSM appears to not be notable [11] and in its current state is a barely-comprehensible article. If it is indeed signficant, it needs to be rewritten, but as it stands I can't see anything useful from Google. splintax ^(talk) 10:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Edit: seems to have been speedied. splintax ^(talk) 10:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus (10 keep, 8 delete, 3 merge). Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Highland hills middle school moved to Highland Hills Middle School

While I'm usually OK with school articles, this particular instance gives no particular reason why the school is in any way notable. I see no reason why it should remain in Wikipedia Bluap 17:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete — I'm all for keeping high school and up, but I tend to think middle schools need to be notable in some manner. Of course the article could be merged into a school district page, which would work just as well. — RJH 18:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non-famous schools below the high-school level. Particularly schools with no history whatsoever (this one only opened in 2004!) — Haeleth Talk 18:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I have entered into a voting pact at [[12]]. You should join in the discussion there. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 20:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Stub creation on legitimate topics should not be discouraged. CalJW 23:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I disagree. Creating one-two sentence stubs should be highly discouraged or and such info should be merged until such time as someone wants to take the time to create a halfway decent article per continuing discussions at WP:SCH.Gateman1997 01:16, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. Input in the ongoing discussion at WP:SCH would be appreciated. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn school. Dottore So 00:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a work in progress, unless there's some evidence presented as for why it's particularly non-notable I see no reason to assume it. Bryan 01:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into appropriate school district per developing consensus at WP:SCH.Gateman1997 01:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment - Please contribute to ongoing discussion at WP:SCH and help end this fractitious debate. Denni☯ 04:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Georgetown, Floyd County, Indiana, short article on another mundane middle school, see Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Merge. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. It would be inconsistent to be selectively inclusive with these schools while we are not equally selective regarding television shows and other fictional material. Yamaguchi先生 08:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Fictional material is easily verifiable and has a much bigger audience. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge per Sjakkalle. Nothing that warrants a separate article. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep and continue to encourage stub creation on legitimate topics. This article is informative regarding the structure of education in the community as well as the internal structure of the school. Kappa 15:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. This is just as verifiable as a fictional work, and the claim that fictional works have a larger audience is both ambiguous and irrelevant. Silensor 22:16, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. --Vsion 04:47, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep See my reasons here. Xoloz 16:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as part of the fight [personal attacks removed]. The mere fact of something's existence makes it worthy of an article. Kurt Weber 23:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Nonsense. It is neither Wikipedia's mandate nor is it possible to create an article for every bug fart on this planet. And before you talk about deletionist vandalism, I would urge you take a look at one day's worth of articles and educate yourself on the amount of nonsense, vanity, vandalism, and misinformation that arrives on our doorstep. If there was no way to get rid of garbage, I doubt you'd be hanging around here. Denni☯ 01:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn Middle school --JAranda | watz sup 23:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete no reliable sources quoted --redstucco 10:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete makes no claim of notability Pete.Hurd 00:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• keep please this schools is notable and important too Yuckfoo 00:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was redirect to clock face. I personally did not see anything worth merging but if someone else does, please recover it from the page history. Rossami (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hour hand

Extremely trivial information. I don't see anything that can be merged into clock face. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• A merge to clock face wouldn't be advisable as there is little content of worth in this article. However, a Redirect to that article would be useful. Capitalistroadster 00:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect per User:Capitalistroadster. It might be interesting to have a few factoids about speed if some of the content is merged, but as it is now, it's not worth anything: too many assumptions about clock sizes and such. —HorsePunchKid→龜 04:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - why not? It could be expanded. Pintele Yid 06:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect and do not merge. The facts are about one particular part of one particular size of hour hand. JPD (talk) 10:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect or delete. Why should I be interested in how many obsolete Merkin redneck units the hour hand moves in which time? — JIP | Talk 10:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Rewrite-- customary details aside, horology is a often a study of minutiae and split seconds-- it could probably use more entries, maybe even a time-keeping or horology stub tag.Davidrowe 11:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Clock face. It makes too many assumptions about the clock used and thus amounts to a mere factoid which should be covered elsewhere. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I can't even see a need for a redirect - who's going to hit hour hand instead of clock face? Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Satisfies my criterion of being more notable than Koga (Pokémon). — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-10 14:24
  • Don't tempt me :-) - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 18:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, Koga (Pokémon) is due to be merged into a character list, similar to List of Johto Gym Leaders. The only reasons he hasn't is because these lists are still in the process of being created, merged, and cleaned up. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 21:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Give it a chance to be expanded. (note to self: must nominate Koga for AfD one of these days...) :) Turnstep 14:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep and cleanup. There is in fact much more to be written on the hour hand as a feature of a clock, relating to the history of clocks; and I cannot say that this bit of trivia would be out of place in a better article. Smerdis of Tlön 15:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Clock face. PJM 18:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Clock face. If information on the hour hand grows to dominate the clock face article, it can be broken out then. FreplySpang (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep and cleanup with a chainsaw. What's here is useless trivia, but I feel that an encyclopedic article could be written on the subject. If nobody does so before the AFD is closed, then merge this and tag it with that "redirects with possibilities" template. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 21:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect. Melchoir 23:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge Certainly doesn't merit it's own article, should be part of clock face. Jasmol 02:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete First, no metric equivalents are given, and since only the US and Libya (or is it Yemen? I forget) have yet to move into the 21st century in this regard, that's important. And I have way better things to do than make these conversions. Second, this topic is subtrivial, and I cannot imagine that anyone would want to know how long it takes an hour hand to move a mile for anything more portentious than winning a bar bet. Denni☯ 03:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • AFAIK the US is the only country in the world not only to still use obsolete units, but also to not use metric units officially. — JIP | Talk 17:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually, the US has been officially metric for over a hundred years, and requires prices to be marked in both systems. What it has failed to do, however, is regulate how big the prices have to be marked, so you get imperial prices in 200point and metric prices in 10 point. The US has, as I'm sure you're aware, done absolutely nothing to encourage the use of the metric system, choosing not even to conduct its own business in metric (except, oddly enough, for the military. go figure.) BTW, I like "Merkin redneck units". I'll be borrowing that one. D[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font style="color:green">'''''e'''''</font>]][[User:Denni|nni]][[User_talk:Denni|<font color=#228822>&#9775;</font>]] 02:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - why not? You can't really have a clock without an hour hand, so I think it's pretty important. XYaAsehShalomX 14:11, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: The part about speed should be deleted, or at least completely redone, no matter what happens to the article. It isn't just useless trivia, it is garbage. The units are the smallest problem, after all it says it's only talking about the most common American size of clock. But that's wrong - the speed depends on the size of the hour hand, not the size of the clock. Also, the whole hand doesn't move at the same speed - I assume it's talking about the speed of the end of the hand - after all the part of the hand in the centre of the clock doesn't move at all! JPD (talk) 11:27, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge or Redirect or whatever it's called. There's useful information here—which should be put into a cool article about the history, design, present state, &c., of clock faces in different regions. So all the info could go into an article on Clocks or Clockfaces or whatever. I usually don't mind letting things that are smaller components of bigger things have their own articles (if we didn't do that, there'd just be one, gigantic article); but this would so neatly fit into a larger article, and probably be more useful with surrounding context about other aspects of clock design. President Lethe 16:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect and merge to clock face. *drew 22:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Yaffe

A college kid who wants to be in wikipedia because he volunteered at a soup kitchen. Non-notable. --Quasipalm 03:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete --Quasipalm 03:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity? Sorry, Ian. --Sirimiri 05:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete The subject of the article is not yet notable, despite his good deeds. (I restored the AfD notice, which had been removed. (Note to nominator: please use {{subst:afd}} rather than {{afd}}.)) --DavidConrad 05:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable [13].
• Delete. --Edcolins 21:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

The Fact of the matter is, having known Ian personally and attended school with him (and knowing he didn't write this article) he is an influential individual within the Washington DC community... you may refer to him as a college kid but he is much more... In his years not only is he on the board of directors of the largest food kitchen in DC, but he is also a local hero for his work as a firefighter and other charitable contributions. Wikipedia chronicles Hitler, Stalin, Tojo and many others, but a good guy who strives to use his position in society to help others is "not notable" and BTW he lives in DC not Australia, idiot

• Delete ∾ I lived in the Washington DC suburbs for 9 years. Never heard of the guy. So he's not even that notable or influential within DC. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:58, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

You lived in the suburbs... as in Potomac where your idea of charity and good deeds is a 10,000 dollar check, and the only people you know go to your country club?

• You may wish to review Ad hominem. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 23:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. *drew 00:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Rx StrangeLove 22:28, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Innotown

If this is anything other than spam I'd be very much surprised. Heavily promoted on the web, but I see little evidence of verifiable significance, and the article as written is an advert plain and simple. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 15:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Unless author rewrites objectively and can demonstrate signficance outside of the "Innovator Community" Jasmol 15:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: Article has been expanded to try to demonstrate notability, but a list of guest speakers doesn't cut it for me (you hire them by the hour, after all). Can anyone in the industry confirm whether this really is a significant event, as evidence to date suggests not. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 10:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedily redirected. Xoloz 17:05, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ISO-8601

Subsumed by ISO 8601. GregorB 19:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete agree per nom. Jasmol 20:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• This is Articles for deletion. Wikipedia:Duplicate articles is along the hall, three doors down. Uncle G 20:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy redirect No need to bring this to AFD. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 21:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect. This nomination is not appropriate for AfD. Bryan 00:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect. ISOs are commonly spelled using dashes. No need to delete. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete, non-notable person. Thue | talk 22:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jacob Somani

Vanity page by 14 year old. jfg284 17:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as non notablejfg284 17:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Budgiekiller 17:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as nn-bio and repost Hitchhiker89 18:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per nom. Jasmol 18:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, nn-bio. PJM 19:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete for meeting A7. Note also that this article has been deleted for the same reason in the past. encephalon 20:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] James Monroe Grimes

Google has not heard of this person or his ministry. The referenced website indicates it has had 152 visitors. --Tabor 05:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as not-notable. A1kmm 10:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --JJay 19:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. - Dalbury (talk) 20:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete A7 howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 20:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN --Rogerd 05:34, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN. *drew 00:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] James Rankin

non-notable biography Xenn 08:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable. A1kmm 09:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• SpeedyDelete "Born in Idaho, the unfortunate love child of a goat called Morris and an Antelope called Agnes." Indium 10:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy deleted under WP:CSD A7. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] John Nadas

someone's resume. Doesn't sound very notable. Randwicked 08:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable biography/resume. Edwardian 08:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Don't feel I need to give reasons for this one. - Andre Engels 14:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn. --Syrthiss 21:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. Certainly sounds like a resume.ERcheck 06:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, self-promotional resume. -- Mgm|^(talk) 10:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. *drew 01:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 00:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Merrell Cook

High school football players are not inherently notable. Thue | talk 23:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete seems like vanity. Didn't play college/pro ball, I don't even see why he was so great in HS football really. 0 results in Google either for whatever that's worth. --W.marsh 23:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Don't Delete Texas High School football is among the most intense of all sports. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.46.231.157 (talk • contribs).
• Delete nn-bio howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 23:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per WP:BIO. Hasn't played in professional league nor college football. Hey, I played football at high school. Doesn't mean I was any good. Capitalistroadster 23:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as this fails to meet any of the inclusion criteria set forth by WP:BIO. Hall Monitor 00:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN --Bachrach44 03:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Only the "high schools are inherently notable" crowd could vote keep on this one. Denni☯ 04:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete ∾ Sports "intensity" is not a sufficient criteria for Wikipedia inclusion. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 12:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep it Having lived in Texas since I graduated from college a few years ago, I can appreciate the shear dominance that this young man demonstrated during his high school career. I grew up in Utah and we've never seen this type of player or this type of football played there.--Gordon Monson, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 06:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jung-Suk Ryu

Mr Ryu is an unsuccessful candidate in the 2004 municipal council elections in Edmonton, Canada achieving 3,817 votes or 5% of the vote. While this is relatively impressive for a teenager, it doesn't meet WP:BIO which states that "Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office" are notable enough for articles. Nor does a Google search for "Jung-Suk Ryu" indicate that he is notable enough for achievements in other fields to deserve an article see [14].Capitalistroadster 02:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as per nomination. Capitalistroadster 02:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• If the nominator votes they should do so inside the nomination. That said, delete as a non-notable biography. Not a speedy, not a resumé, but doesn't meet WP:BIO either. Alphax ^τεχ 05:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • If you think the nominator should only vote within the nomination, I suggest you get the guidelines for deletion changed, since they currently clearly state that the nominator should make a separate vote. — Haeleth Talk
• Comment There was quite a bit more to this article than what it is now showing. An anon user 199.126.210.155 was removing quite a bit of information, and it of course looked like vandalism, but the anon user left me a msg on my talk page saying why he was removing large portions of the article. His comments were polite and civil so I've left it alone due to the fact he seemed to know a lot more about this article than me. Maybe if someone who knows more about Jung-Suk Ryu could go back and check, to see if the information the anon user was removing could make the article meet WP:BIO. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 06:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment. I listed this page because a gentleman raised concerns about the neutrality of the article on the helpdesk list. I checked out the article and considered that notability was a real concern of the article. If someone can deliver verifiable evidence that Mr Ryu meets our biography notability guidelines, I would withdraw this nomination. However, I couldn't find anything in my searches to indicate notability. Capitalistroadster 08:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete - "weak" since there's a possibility that the guy's more notable than he seems, but "delete" since I personally can't find any evidence that he meets WP:BIO. — Haeleth Talk 18:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Dottore So 23:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Week keep. WP:BIO says "This list (of eligible people) is not all-inclusive." Someone who finished sixth (see here for official results) in a city-council race is really pushing it. But this guy is likely to run for office again, and people might be interested in who he is. -- Mwalcoff 04:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Xoloz 16:16, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• I'm with the delete side; city council candidates just aren't that notable. The Alberta Centennial Medal stuff gave me pause, until I read the article — it doesn't make him part of a particularly exclusive and notable class of people, either, as there are 8,000 recipients. Bearcat 07:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment - As previously stated on the articles talk page, I am an acquaintance of JSR. I have chatted with him about this article, and am quite sure that the anonymous user deleting things was him, seeking to remove the heavy negative bias the article had. Although his achievements go beyond being a city council candidate, they are still relatively local in scope and are perhaps not significant enough to warrant an article. Combine that with the fact that edit wars would probably just continue between JSR and those who have a negative view of him. I believe someday there will be enough content for this article, when his run for city council can get just a brief mention.--LucidGA 19:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:42, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 23:58, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedied by Ingoolemo. Ingoolemo ^talk 18:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kaptain

Not notable in any way. Budgiekiller 19:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Speedy delete NNN (non notable nonsense). Jasmol 19:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per Jasmol. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 20:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Borderline A1 --JJay 20:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, triviality. Thue | talk 18:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Save, informative to those with interaction of subject --JHrdy 18.45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. --Celestianpower ^háblame 18:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Karl lilje

"Non-notable apparent vanity.

• The article asserts that he is an author: Amazon has never heard of him. Of the small number of Google hits on his name (excluding his own site and Wiki mirrors) several seem unrelated. On the other hand there is some evidence he has written some minor software. I do not think this person is notable, and I think some claims are hard to substantiate, but others may disagree so I've brought it for a vote. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 09:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn-bio howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 20:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• Too little response. Relisting. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN, vanity Jasmol 15:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as nn-bio. Physchim62 (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Keiran

I was unable to find a reference to this. The Google test is not the best way of figuring out if something like this actually exists, but as the article itself is very vague and I was not able to find a single hit that appeared relevant, I'm inclined to think that this is a hoax or something similarly unwelcome. If someone can show that this is not the case, I'll obviously be happy to withdraw the nomination. -- Captain Disdain 09:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. -- Captain Disdain 09:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless convinced otherwise. Seems to be vanity, or from the poor English, possibly a mispelling of something else. Indium 10:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. A1 - no context. JPD (talk) 10:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes, well, I realize that it probably could be speedily deleted. But my primary concern is to ascertain whether this really is just random crap someone made up or merely a very, very vague write-up of a historically relevant figure -- y'know, give someone the chance to pipe up here. Speedy deletion isn't gonna do a whole lot for that -- Captain Disdain 10:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I was going to suggest redirecting to Kieran as a common mis-spelling, but we don't have an article (or even a disambig) at that name, which surprises me slightly. Grutness...wha? 10:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unverifiable and almost certainly a hoax. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 12:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, borderline patent nonsense, and impossible: nobody understands humans. Smerdis of Tlön 15:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. No offense to nom. --JJay 19:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Unverified. *drew 01:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was merge into Rebel Alliance. - Mailer Diablo 07:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Killik Twilight

Fiction, unencyclopaedic (and duplicates http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Killik_Twilight) - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 14:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to Rebel Alliance where it can be discussed in context. Duplicating other wikis is not a reason to delete when part of our goals overlap (like in this case). Also, fiction can be entirely encyclopedic. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
• Not enough response: relisting. Physchim62 (talk) 16:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge. Topics such as this one make sense only in the context of the fictional world they inhabit. Durova 19:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge per above. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into relevant artcle. Bryan 01:03, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge per above. *drew 01:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was userfied to User:Vulcanmax. Clearly inappropriate for article space. Friday (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Killing_Service_INC.

I don't know if this should be deleted or just cleaned up a lot, but I want to bring it to more experienced users' attentions

• Delete. A 'clan' for Halo 2 on Xbox live. Not worthy of a separate article, even doubtful as a mention on those articles. - Andre Engels 14:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete gamecruft. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 15:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Koika

No claim of notability apart of "porn star that got signed up by some well-known studio" (and Google isn't helpful, gives plenty of hits but the first few pages seem fairly... inconclusive and also hint that other unrelated people use this same pseudonym). Referenced website doesn't help much. And the article is more about the company deal anyway. Delete, I say. Wwwwolf 14:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete and hope the author gets a girlfriend some time soon. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 15:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)'
• Delete Reeks of marketing. Jasmol 15:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete lonelyguycruft (sorry, couldn't resist). Non-notable model. --W.marsh 16:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Xoloz 16:50, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Unencylopedic. *drew 01:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete.  Denelson83  08:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kristin Cyr

Unverifiable, delete. ComCat 05:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Speedy delete. 216.36.182.2 who created the article appears to be a malicious troll. Every recent edit by this person appears to be vandalism. Durova 07:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Very sloppy, silly article to begin with, which someone tried to cleanup, but still devoid of any real information and unverifiable. Unfortunately, it's already a week old, so no speedy delete. - Dalbury (talk) 20:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per nominator, possible hoax. Hall Monitor 00:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Rogerd 05:34, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kubba

Just a family name, no claim of notability on the page. Also doubts about the correctness: A message on the helpdesk referred to http://home.freeuk.net/kubba/ to show that the Kubba family is of Iraqese origin, or at least has been in Iraq before the early 1900s. Andre Engels 07:56, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Durova 08:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Syrthiss 20:59, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Widespread family names are way more worthy of space here than schools. Denni☯ 03:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• DEelete, more appropriate for Wiktionary. User:Zoe|^(talk) 03:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 01:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 00:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lamester

Neologism, defined entirely with POV commentary. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak yak yak ł blah blah blah} 21:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Not even included in UrbanDictionary. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 21:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Article reeks of POV. --JJay 22:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete OR --Rogerd 15:47, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus (16 keep, 18 delete, 2 merge, 1 redirect). Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Laurel Mountain Elementary School

I dont think a elementary school should be in wikipedia. Its non-notable --64.12.116.10 04:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia should have articles on some elementary schools. Summerhill, for example. I think we should have an article about Froebel's original kindergarten, and very likely the other historical kindergartens mentioned in the kindergarten article. I don't know where the oldest operating Montessori school in the United States is but it should have an article. We need something more discriminating than "keep all schools" or "delete all elementary schools." We should keep the ones that are encyclopedic and delete the ones that are not. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:53, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment - Please come contribute to ongoing conversation at WP:SCH. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Unencyclopedic; delete. ComCat 05:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per usual reasons per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep --Vsion 05:28, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete for the reasons Vsion cited. --DavidConrad 05:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Round Rock Independent School District per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Merge. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, well, duh, it's a school. Hello? — JIP | Talk 10:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I could write an article on my elementary school and say "Elementary school X is located in Y." This would be a school, but do you really want such contextless entries? Please rate articles on their content and not the fact they are about a school. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
    • You're right, but I still stand by my keep vote. There is a reasonable amount of information in this article. It says where the school is located, how it is administered, and includes a performance record and a link to the school's website. — JIP | Talk 13:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • My point was that while this school may be worth keeping, you voted keep for the wrong reason. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
    • You could write an article on your elementary school and be sure 20 people will spend a great deal of time getting it deleted.--Pypex 17:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
      • I did. I don't see any people getting it deleted. — JIP | Talk 20:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep based on the awards in their performance record, but I'd really like to see who awards them and how often for what achievements. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, informative article and per wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Kappa 12:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and delete all articles that contain summaries of reasoning. Reason out your vote for this particular ARTICLE and not "all schools, ever, everywhere, at all times, no matter what." If your vote shows no indication that you've even read this article, how can you be expected to be taken seriously as a deliberator on it? In my case, I do not think we are in the business of replicating the Yellow Pages, and the information in this ARTICLE is virtually nil. If a mention of the school, with basic information, were put into a school district article, that would be fine, but it is a primary school with no information presented on it. Geogre 13:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • have you read the article because it has a lot of notable awards and distinguishments erasing this does not even make sense Yuckfoo 18:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • If someone nominated a small country, it wouldn't be necessary to read the article to justify a keep vote. If one believes that schools should be kept, there is no difference. CalJW 23:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually, one would need to read it, because we are not discussing possible articles but actual articles, here. I.e. the deliberation is not on the topic but on the actual performance. This is not Requests for Comment on content issues. An article that said, "Fiji is an island country" would be and should be deleted, even though the topic of Fiji should get full coverage. That's why "school watch" and all other voter busing projects must stop. Read the article (which got rapidly filled in by voters), and assess it per the deletion guidelines. Does the article advertise? Is it a copyvio? Is it a dictdef? Only then do you get to "Is the subject encyclopedic?" All the blather about schools addresses the strawman of "notability," but that isn't sufficient nor comprehensive in voting. (As for awards, it's a mug's game to base anything on awards. "World's Greatest Grandpa" doesn't get an article.) Geogre 01:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
      • So if "Fiji is an island country" would and should be deleted, an article which says "Coombe is a settlement in the county of Hampshire, UK." would also be deletable, perhaps even if it gave the grid reference? Kappa 01:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
        • Why should anyone ever do a thing like that? If someone intends to assemble a decent paragraph, they should assemble it in user space or offline and create the article when there is something worthwhile there. If, on the other hand, someone does not really intend to do even ten minutes' work but merely wants to remind people that we need an article on that topic, they should make an article request. See the perfect stub. An article that says "Coombe is a settlement in the county of Hampshire, UK" is not a good stub. People shouldn't just type "Chapter One" at the top of a blank piece of paper and feel they've made a useful start at writing a novel. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
          • Stubs like Coombe, Hampshire are incredibly useful, I wish we had at least that much for every settlement. They answer the question "where the heck is Coombe?" which is pretty much the most important thing about a place. Also they let me link there and categorize it, and provide a ready-made base for someone who knows about it to expand. Kappa 13:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
            • Sounds like an appropriate entry for a gazetteer, not an encyclopedia. Is WIkipedia a gazetteer? Dpbsmith (talk) 14:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
              • It also sounds like a good entry for an encyclopedia which is providing the best service it can for its users. Kappa 15:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep all schools, ever, everywhere, at all times, no matter what.--Nicodemus75 13:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • "No matter what" is pretty broad. Would that include copyvios, unverifiable information, and hoax articles? Or would you care to qualify that a bit? Dpbsmith (talk) 14:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Deletion, properly understood, is an issue of the worthiness of the subject for inclusion in the encyclopedia, not on the content of the particular article. Thus, copyvios and unveriable info are reasons to revise the article, but not to devise. And if it's a hoax article, then its subject isn't a real school, is it? Kurt Weber 23:44, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
    • My comment was a direct quote from Geogre's rant above. Please try to keep up.--Nicodemus75 20:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Per N75. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep thousands and thousands of people will attend a gradeschool throughout its existance -- this alone makes it notable enough for inclusion. Besides, there are lots of other elementry school articles... We even have gradeschool categories for some states. --Quasipalm 15:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Thousands and thousands of people have driven down the road outside my house throughout its existence, but that sure doesn't make it notable for inclusion. If we have other elementary school articles, they should be deleted too. — Haeleth Talk
    • Thousands and thousands of people will eat at a McDonald's. It vends routine food. Elementary schools impart routine knowledge. How is this one special? Durova 15:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, schools are not inherently tyhsjhfguuitruh. Sorry, I just passed out from boredom in having to try, in vain, once again to get an ordinary building filled with ordinary people deleted. Lord Bob 16:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • If this losing of consciousness becomes a serious problem, might I suggest you stop trying to get a school deleted?--Nicodemus75 16:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• keep this article please it is notable and interesting Yuckfoo 17:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, Elementary schools have no inherent notability, and there is nothing in exclusively notable about this particular school.--Isotope23 17:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all schools below the high-school level. — Haeleth Talk 18:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Round Rock Independent School District. (Generic school < High School) => non-notable. — RJH 18:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

where does it say that less than a high school is not notable Yuckfoo 18:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment, right above in RJH's vote.--Isotope23 02:54, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• delete NN school stub Pete.Hurd 18:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep if the HR passed, otherwise, Merge with the appropriate district per developing consensus at WP:SCH.Gateman1997 19:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • According to the link, the clerk of the house certified "that H.R. No. 999 was adopted by the House on May 9, 2003, by a non-record vote." Now, the question is, what's a non-record vote? Dpbsmith (talk) 00:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Geogre. encephalon 20:30, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete elementary schools are not inherently notable. Durova 21:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, notable and important. Christopher Parham (talk) 22:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Even primary schools are more important than plenty of things that are kept with less controversy. CalJW 23:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Geogre. No reasons have been given that convince me that this particular article about this particular school is encyclopedic, and I do not share the opinion that "it is a school" constitutes such a reason. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn school. Dottore So 00:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Geogre. Edwardian 00:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment - Please contribute to ongoing discussion at WP:SCH and help end this fractitious debate. Denni☯ 03:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as this appears to be an award-winning school of sorts. Yamaguchi先生 03:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Delete. --Metropolitan90 05:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep  ALKIVAR™ 10:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep For my arguments, see User:Xoloz/Schools. Xoloz 19:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Silensor 22:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn elementary school --JAranda | watz sup 05:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete None of the awards are particularly noteworthy, e.g. the Greater Austin Quality Significant Merit Award is a 3/4 rating giving out to dozens and dozens of institutions. This isn't encyclopedic information. Gimmeahighfive 05:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete there are few things that are less notable than this school...  Grue  22:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as part of the fight [personal attack removed]. The mere fact of something's existence makes it worthy of an article. Kurt Weber 23:44, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge sufficiently verifiable to exist somewhere on wikipedia --redstucco 09:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, unencyclopedic topic for the reasons given by deletion votes above. --Aquillion 17:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete from Wikipedia with a strong recommendation that it be offered to Comixpedia. Not being a sister project under WikiMedia, we can not perform a straight transwiki.

I see that Comixpedia is also licensed under GFDL so a transfer is allowable. However, not being a member of their site and being completely unfamiliar with their codes, formats, styles, etc., I am unwilling to attempt to add the article there myself. If anyone wants to carry out the transfer, please contact me (or any admin) and we can recover the article in order to submit it to Comixpedia. Please remember to also have the Talk page transferred at the same time because it documents the author's release of certain content to GFDL. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 21:47, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] LeveL (webcomic)

Non notable obscure webcomic, found here, it's 40 member forum can be found here. Looking through one of their sparse forum threads, I know plenty of effort has been put into this, but I just don't think that the website is notable enough for wikipedia. Can I introduce you guys to comixPedia? Where every webcomic under the sun can get their article there? - Hahnchen 23:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails WP:WEB and WP:COMIC. Saberwyn 00:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Withdraw delete vote. This is NOT the webcomic I thought it was. Saberwyn 04:48, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Nifboy 02:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Comixpedia, the place for most of these unknown webcomics jnothman ^talk 02:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, the archive appears reasonably extensive [15] and I see no evidence presented above by the delete votes. When you say an article fails such and such a guideline, please explain how to verify this assertion. Bryan 04:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Alexa rank of 2 million (very bad), and longevity criteria are being left out of the new guidelines being drafted. The best I could find on Google was the artists' LJ and a link on Ponju. Nifboy 05:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Keep - Alexa rank really isn't the best measure of notability. Consider:
      • Pete Ashdown's US Senate campaign site has an Alexa rank of 2,530,023. Steve Urquhart's rank is 2,910,251. Nobody's suggesting deleting them -- especially if one of them actually manages to beat Orrin Hatch in next year's election (please, please, please). Orrin's site, BTW, ranks 1,490,351.
        • Those people are known for their political activity outside the internet. webcomics only have their internet presence to show. If that can't be verified through Google, Alexa or any other means, that means it doesn't have that presence. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
        • And I would add that Pete Ashdown and Orrin Hatch's websites don't have their own wikipedia article...--Isotope23 21:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
      • On a more webcomic-related note, it appears that all Keenspace comics get a single ranking of 5,395. That means that a comic like [Saturnalia], that never had a very large reader base and that hasn't updated in a year and a half, ranks more than twice as high as Megatokyo (13,920) or User Friendly (12,251). (Nothing against Saturnalia, BTW: Space Coyote is a great artist and the story was good, too. After this long, though, it's pretty well dead.)
      • Also on webcomics, even Penny Arcade, one of the originals, only ranks 404,199.
      • Alexa does list a few other sites that link to leveL. The best I found there was Megatokyo.--12.160.33.128 15:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
        • No, only four pages link there. MegaTokyo was in the list of sites visitors of LeveL also visit. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Reply - The forum has 40 members. Longevity does not equal notability. There has been no press reviews/commentary. - Hahnchen 14:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. (Well, can also be transwikied; I have no objection to that at all, but my primary thought is that I'd like to remove this from Wikipedia.) Doesn't appear to be notable; frankly, any webcomic where a Google search for "<webcomic's name> <creator's name>" returns ~50 hits is non-notable in the grand scale of things, and possibly also in the webcomics scale of things. That said, I'm sure they'd find a very comfy home at Comixpedia. -- Captain Disdain 07:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Comixpedia per Jnothman and Captain Disdain. WP:NOT a place to list every Web comic ever created. FCYTravis 22:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. nn. Dragonfiend 02:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. See aforementioned arguments for dubiousness of Alexa. Site has roughly 600 visitors a day [16]. Notability aside from immediate popularity should also be considered. -Flare- 18:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Flare made a post on this webcomic's official forums asking the forum members to create a Wikipedia article about it. [17] Ashibaka (tock) 02:47, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Bryan and Flare. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:27, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Bryan and Flare. ♠PMC♠ 20:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

This nominationt was closed here. It was then discussed here and here.

To date, there are three clean deletes + nominator + one withdrawn, two transwikis, three clean keep + two with very low contributions (-Flare- (talk • contribs), 12.160.33.128 (talk • contribs)). As this is far from a clear consensus, and not even a clear "no consesus", per discussions with the closer it is being re-listed extended for another five days to draw wider community input. - brenneman^(t)(c) 23:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

• Abstain, but counsel editors to consult discussions at proposed guideline WP:WEB. - brenneman^(t)(c) 23:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki as suggested. This fails WP:WEB proposed guidelines for a webcomic as far as I can tell. 600 visits a day really isn't much.. and about consistant with the Alexa rank. Millions of sites get 600 visits a day. 40 posters to the forum... I just don't see what makes this webcomic notable. --W.marsh 23:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki I like to keep webcomic articles, I really do, but this is far from notable. Ashibaka (tock) 00:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: I'd like to correct the earlier assertion that the Penny Arcade webcomic has an Alexa ranking of 404,199; it's ranking is in fact 4,520[18]. Further comparing the Alexa ranking of webcomics (which are by definition read primarily on the web) to those of Senators (who relay their information through mainstream news media coverage, talk shows, etc.) is a bit of apples to oranges. My vote (above) remains delete because there is no evidence that this comic is even notable inside the webcomics community, let alone outside of it. Dragonfiend 00:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Dragonfiend's persuasive comment. Ifnord 04:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Pintele Yid 06:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • This is intended to be a discussion, so it's helpful if you provide some reasoning. For instance, are you contending that notability is not an issue, or that this webcomic is notable? Thanks. - brenneman^(t)(c) 06:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: Uhm, three points: 1. Don't bite the newbies. 2. No one has to give an reason on why they vote. 3. In fact, Wikipedia is inherently inclusionist, so you should be more likely to ask for a reason for DELETING an article rather than keeping it. -- Grev -- Talk 07:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

1. If that came across as a bite, I apologise, that wasn't my intent.
2. It says at Wikipedia:Guide_to_Articles_for_deletion#Discussion "Always explain your reasoning," because it's not a vote.
3. I dont see how WP:AGF applys. Don't you assume good faith when someone wants to delete?
   

brenneman^(t)(c) 07:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as per Captain Disdain's arguments. - Andre Engels 08:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Wikipedia:Web comics lists several possible criteria for webcomic notablility. This doesn't meet any of them. I'd also point out that User:12.160.33.128's understanding of the Alexa ranking system is limited. For example, Penny arcade ranks in at 4500, not 400,000. This comic ranks at 2 million, which even taking into account Alexa's margin for error, is pretty bad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.238.34.168 (talk • contribs).
• Neutral, long-running and extensive archive, I just can't find its audience. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as not notable. Wikipedia is not a web directory. - Dalbury (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep As per Bryan and Flare in the first run of this. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 12:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay, I don't understand this "Bryan and Flare" thing. What point did Bryan make that you agree with? Was it (1) that the article was extensive and all long articles are notable or (2) that you don't understand why people are voting Delete? What argument of Flare are you agreeing with? Do you agree that (3) any website with 600 visitors/day is notable or (4) notability may be asserted in ways that do not need to be described? I await your comments. Ashibaka (tock) 02:32, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment The point of me mentioning the visits a day was to show that it is obviously known aside from the 40 people in the forum, since some of the voters for deletion used 'forum has 40 members, noone reads this thing' as an argument. It's not like this site DOESN'T generate tens of thousands of visitors a month. I was also referencing the guy that brought up points against Alexa rating, but he didn't have a user name, so it was probably easier to refer back to me. As for the ways that need not be described, it's obvious I'm a reader of the comic and thus have a bias, which is why mentioning any points about the actual quality of the comic over the quantity of activity around it would be putting myself on display to be torn apart. When I looked at WP:WEB before suggesting the article, it still had the alternate proposal that included longevity, a certain number of existant strips/pages and some other things that I can't remember right now but that were all met. Now that it's pretty much popularity only, any such argument has become void- I can't argue against the fact that it doesn't have an audience of millions. -Flare- 13:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
      • I am probably going to hate myself for saying this, but I'm all for frankness: This is still only a proposed guideline. It's referred to as a pointer for what the current suggested direction for this guideline is according to those who have taken part, but that is it. Don't let it deter you from making a pitch for its inclusion based upon longevity or something else. And anyone who's wavering in ther recomendation, don't be swayed by the pseudo-official nature of WP:WEB which I've had lots to do with shaping. Feel free to make your own decision, but please be ready to state your reasoning clearly. Thanks.
        brenneman^(t)(c) 13:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: Fails every guideline we've ever had for "notability," and the fervor of its fans in voting is not any argument against that. For those who wish a "reason why" it shouldn't be here, even though there is no reason why it should be here, I'll simply say that encyclopedias cover that which is referred to in alien context and which needs explanation and contextualizing. This forum/comic/game is known by its fans and referred to by none else. Those who wish to know, know. Those who do not know, will not hear of it and need to know. Since Wikipedia is not a place to satisfy the fan's obsession nor a place for people to advertise, the article should be deleted. Geogre 13:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Geogre. It's old, but unremarkably so. People read it, but not very many. It is, in short, an utterly and completely average webcomic, and Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for the utterly and completely average. (Of course, if Comixpedia wants it, they can have it) Lord Bob 16:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Geogre--Isotope23 17:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above. nn, webcomic. Dottore So 17:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above; try advertising the comic more in places that accept advertising, and then come back to WP when you have the readers you deserve. — Haeleth Talk 17:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Hey, can we be a little more [[WP:CIV}civil]], please? I know that sometimes it's easy to let our frustrations out, but we should assume thatthis article wasn't made for that reason. - brenneman^(t)(c) 18:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - I was the original nominator, so please don't count my vote twice. I wasn't too happy with the no-consensus of the first vote. I did not have a chance to reply to the erronomous and misleading comments above. Dragonfiend has already established that a popular webcomic like Penny Arcade has a respectable Alexa rank. The comparisons to Orrin Hatch and Pete Ashdown are totally irrelevent, these are people who have had major press attention, something which this comic lacks, even in the webcomic community. I would however, either redirect an article on Orrin Hatch's website to Orrin Hatch, or even move to delete. Just because a site links to it, does not mean it is notable. Heck, some blogs even link to my wikipedia page. This comic has no assertion of notability, a low readership and almost empty forums. Other arguments above, saying that "keep - long archive", I just don't agree with. One of my main points against the no defunct original WP:COMIC was the, longevity = notability" clause. Would you keep an article for a person who's only claim to notability was living up to retirement age? - Hahnchen 18:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --JJay 19:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, just in case previous votes aren't being re-counted (I voted before). Why is this being re-listed? If the result wasn't a consensus, then it was "no consensus". Bryan 00:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that it's not actually been "re-listed", I mispoke before and have corrected it. It has been extended as is common for AfD discussions that do not reach a clear consensus. For example, a 50/50 split with strong arguments presented by each side is a "no consensus" and thus no action is taken. In this example, neither the numbers nor the arguments clearly indicated the "will of the people", and extendind the discussion appears to have made things clear. - brenneman^(t)(c) 00:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, as this is a comic with no evidence of popularity, significance, or impact beyond its small fanbase. (Of course, this should be transwiked over to Comixpedia, but you can do that with anything that meets their goals.) - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Based on the discussion, I am reinstating my delete vote. Even though it is not the webcomic I originally thought it was, this webcomic appears to miserably fail the proposed guidelines at WP:WEB and WP:COMIC. Also, to those who try to justify keeping articles based on the argument "Article X is on Wikipedia. This article is in this way better to Article X, so therefore it should be on Wikipedia too", please don't. Each article should be kept or deleted on it's own merits, and it's own merits alone (as the various article policies allow). I will support a transwiki to Comixpedia, but will shed no tears of this does not happen. Saberwyn 02:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per A Man in Black. Xoloz 16:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Can't think of a good reason to delete this article. Moreover it was subject to a perfectly valid no consensus close, an re-opened as part of an evident campaign of deletion. --Tony Sidaway^t 09:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Three deletes, two transwiki, and one non-sock close is a clear delete close. (A transwiki ends with a delete.) The decision made to extend this AFD erred (rightly) on the side of inclusion. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 09:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki as per jnothman and others. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Comixpedia. *drew 22:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 01:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of baseball jargon

Violates WP:WINAD#Wikipedia is not a slang or idiom guide" and WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a dictionary" Frühstücksdienst 03:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as useful reference as decided three months ago. Capitalistroadster 04:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. A useful and well established article. PJM 04:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - And maybe the guideline should be changed for eminently notable exceptions. Cyde Weys 04:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. As I said before, likely nominated by someone who hates baseball. Wahkeenah 04:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

That one user, with the German name which roughly translates as "Breakfast service", has marked several of the Jargon pages the same way, so evidently he wants to make toast of these pages. In fact, since August he/she/it has contributed nothing [19] except requests for deletion. Wahkeenah 12:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment I mainly edit under another name, since I don't want to get into deletion wars. Frühstücksdienst 14:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I reckon you deserve some points for admitting to being a sockpuppet. Wahkeenah 15:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for violation. This should be a CATEGORY, not an article in and of itself. Travislangley 06:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Obviously useful glossary. Change the policy. Bhoeble 11:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep An essential part of Wikipedia's coverage of baseball, or of any other sport with lots of terminology (which is probably all of them). ReeseM 12:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I think people are voting for keep for this because they like the article but it violates at least two Wikipedia guidelines. Just because something is useful or essential should not be kept if it violates established policy! Frühstücksdienst 14:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • And I say you are picking on these things for personal reasons. Wahkeenah 15:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete listcruft. Transwiki to wikisource and link to baseball if anyone is interested in keeping this content (and I think it is useful content; just not encyclopedic article material).--Isotope23 15:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Who says what is an encyclopedia? I say this is a valuable part of encyclopedic coverage of baseball. Golfcam 23:35, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Useful for people like me who don't know about baseball. squell 01:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Transwiki Baseball Slang should be added to the list, but the whole thing is better suited to be a Wiktionary *

appendix. --Karnesky 06:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per the others. Who uses Wiktionary? Not me. I wouldn't know this was there. Calsicol 13:05, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • As I responded on another AfD, we can make interwiki links. Any wikipedia article which referenced this would still point to the article on Wiktionary. It would be just as useful there, and may be a better fit with the intent and policies of that wiki than this one. --Karnesky 17:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, honestly, the information is useful, encyclopeadic, and better done as a collection that as individual articles. – Doug Bell ^{talk•contrib} 11:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of baseball jargon

Nomination on the grounds that this is a slang or usage guide, in violation of WP:NOT. While an article about baseball jargon as a whole is acceptable, this is a list of jargon terms, not an article about the jargon as a whole. Note that the exceptions in WP:NOT 1.2.3 only apply to clarifying meaning when jargon is used in an article about something else (not the case here) or "special cases" about "an essential piece of slang" (not the case here) don't protect it. Informative and interesting, certainly (at least to some people), but that is not enough to excuse the fact that this is a list of definitions, not an article. The Literate Engineer 23:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Strong keep Seems like a spiteful nomination (or at least done purely out of principal), as I cited this basball article article as an example in another AfD discussion. Sorry baseball fans... I had no idea it would get this reaction. As for why to keep this article... it falls clearly under WP:NOT 1.5.2 which allows for structured lists to assist with the organisation of articles. This provides extensive commentary and more importantly links to many baseball articles, and it cleraly helps to organize them. I guess I'll stop citing articles I actually care about as examples... --W.marsh 00:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay, I accept that this wasn't done out of spite thanks to communication from the nom. --W.marsh 01:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't see that communication anywhere here. How's about posting it so we can see what this wiki-nanny's reasoning was, and why he thinks this is less encyclopedic than lists of Penthouse Pets? Wahkeenah
    • It's on my talk page and his. But please don't make personal attacks... The Literate Engineer just happens to have a different opinion than me (and apparently you). --W.marsh 02:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Well, he personally attacked this page, so he has it coming. I'd like to know why he thinks this page is any less worthy than the others I've mentioned. But I don't expect an explanation, because their type also deems the rest of us to be part of the Great Unwashed. Wahkeenah 02:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. It's got to be a nomination by someone who hates baseball or regards it as unworthy. Why pick on baseball and not attack lists of Playboy Playmates and other such "encyclopedic" data??? Wahkeenah 00:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. An excellent article. Durova 01:48, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Looks like a useful article to me. --Bachrach44 03:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. WP:NOT 1.2.3 is in my opinion to stop articles on singular slang terms, not for lists like did. - Andre Engels 08:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Andre Engels. Useful list. It helps writing baseball articles considerably easier because now some terms can be used without repeatedly explaining them. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per above comments Herostratus 02:31, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep useful to baseball fans and those who want to understand them --Rogerd 15:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List_of_commonly_mistitled_songs

The page has very little information, is unencyclopedic, and is unverifiable (aside from the Weird Al songs). It also could constitute as original research. There is no real way of determining all the names a song may be listed under in a P2P network. THollan 17:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as a pointless and wholly subjective celebration of musical illiteracy. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above arguments. Non-encyclopedic. Punkmorten 22:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Guy —Wahoofive (talk) 00:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as an unencylopedic violation of WP:NOR and WP:NOT 1.7.2 The Literate Engineer 00:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per WP:NOR. We shouldn't encourage people who won't spell song titles properly either. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Eh?? Also a "List of songs that are not titled after the first few words of lyrics, or the words that are repeat severaĺ times in the chorus". The exclusion criteria almost forces this. This might get pointless really fast if we let this grow. (And also who's the first to say "WP:NOT in the business of helping people accept and tolerate their own lack of everyday research" or "WP:NOT in existence to make ed2k network a little bit less interesting place to live in"? =) --Wwwwolf 22:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Literate Engineer. Xoloz 16:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of places in the Tayside region of Scotland

Tayside has been defunct for over 9 years. 3 modern local authorities cover the former Tayside Region: Delete and Split into List of places in Perth and Kinross, List of places in Dundee, and List of places in Angus. Mais oui! 07:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete without splitting. I would suggest making sure each town listed in the article has the appropriate category noted within [Category:Unitary authorities of Scotland] rather than making three more lists. I added [Category:Towns in Tayside] to all the towns listed for those who wish to recall which were previously in Tayside. Edwardian 08:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep or failing that Merge, on the grounds that historical place names are still encyclopaedic.
• Keep, on the grounds that (as clearly stated in the Tayside article, "Tayside continues to have a joint police service, fire service, and electoral, valuation, and health boards." --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 09:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, wikipedia is timeless. Kappa 12:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per OpenToppedBus and whoever forgot to sign their keep vote above. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, its interesting historical info. Though it could be merged into Tayside - its not a very long list, and all of the current unitary authority articles have a list of places within them. There's already a list of places in Perth in Kinross within the Perth and Kinross article (and the same within Angus and City of Dundee). Vclaw 17:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep and Cleanup. As a number of voters pointed out, this article needs to be trimmed down per WP:NOT I: 2.3 . The list should only include the more notable, varifiable, terms(such as those used in popular culture movies/books). The complete list, which is what this page mostly is now(although some terms may be bogus), can go on Wiktionary. Also, this was AFD'd to soon after the last AFD.Voice of All ^{T|@|Esperanza} 23:31, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of sexual slang

List of sexual slang was nominated for deletion on 2005-10-18. The result of the discussion was "keep". For the prior discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sexual slang/2005-10-18.

This is an 89KB list of slang terms, making it not merely a violation of Section 1.2.3 of WP:NOT, "Wikipedia articles are not a usage guide or a slang and idiom guide", but one of sickeningly gargantuan proportions. The first three paragraphs, the introduction, is the only segment that begins to approach meeting the definition of an encyclopedia article; the remainder, whether it's useful or not (which is irrelevant), is just a list of terms. A list of terms does not belong on Wikipedia. This is not the first nomination. The Literate Engineer 22:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. It is informative, descriptive by comparisons/groupings, and it is extensive (which indeed has its strong and weak points). Further, there is a competing section of WP:NOT, namely 1.5.2, which allows for "structured lists to assist with the organisation of articles". Since many of the terms on the page indeed have their own articles, it is useful for encyclopedic purposes to group and compare them, and this indeed assists with the organization of articles. Also, just because it is long is not an excuse to delete an article, but rather should be an impetus to break it up into separate articles. There's no denying that neologisms and cruft have crept into this article, but that fact demands that more contributors participate in handling verification of such terms. Last, I have to protest this "nomination bombardment", where a consensus wasn't arrived at the first time, so the argument losers try again. This also happened with Body parts slang, and its deletion resulted in a very informative article being wiped off with a slight majority that could not have been reasonably construed as a consensus. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 22:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per The Literate Engineer. -- Kjkolb 23:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep why is no reason given for re-nomination? It was voted on like 2 weeks ago with a quite high ratio of keeps. Anyway like it or not there are lots of lists of jargon/slang/technical terms on Wikipedia, for example List of baseball jargon. As long as they're well organized and useful, I don't see the problem. It's just when the subject is sex or something controversial that people start to look for excuses to delete such lists. Until consensus is to delete all slang/jargon/terms lists changes, I can't see deleting just certain ones for subjective personal reasons, under the thin excuse of arguably breaking WP:NOT. --W.marsh 23:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Being useful is a necessary but insufficient criterion for an entry. For starters, it needs to be an actual article, which means prose.The Literate Engineer 23:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep encyclopedic, just because something is in "poor taste" does not mean it should be deleted. -Skrewler 00:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • The issue is not poor taste, but that this is a thesaurus, mis-placed in the encyclopaedia in contravention of our clear Wikipedia is not a dictionary official policy. Uncle G 00:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• User:Freakofnurture had exactly the right idea in the last AFD discussion. The article should be trimmed, with the large home-grown and mis-placed thesaurus entries replaced with links to WikiSaurus (which, unlike Wikipedia, is a thesaurus — and a multilingual one, at that), and renamed back to sexual slang, where it used to be. This does not require the article to be deleted, but it does require some resolve, and support (in terms of keeping the thesaurus entries from growing again once excised) from the various editors who have expressed their agreement with this. Uncle G 00:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, as per previous AfD result. Bryan 00:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. When it says "Wikipedia articles are not a usage guide or a slang and idiom guide", I think it means that we shouldn't devote an entire article to each and every one of these slang terms. And rightly so. I think having them all quarantined on one page will suffice. I also think that after weeding out a lot of the obviously obscure (and bogus) slang terms, the page should be capped and not strive to become a neverending all-inclusive list of every ridiculous dirty phrase ever conceived. - Wikipediatrix 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. Previous AFD isn't even a month old and the vote was to keep. That's enough for me right there. 23skidoo 01:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I am one of the few editors who ever tries to maintain this list, by removning the most obvious vandalism and nonsense. It is unmaintainable and unverifiable because there are no sources (except "South Park", apparently). Anyone voting to "keep" should be prepared to do participate in the trimming that everyone calls for. (That said, this is an irregelular AfD). -Willmcw 07:11, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Clean up – Trim greatly per my previous vote and per Uncle G. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 07:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Per last nomination, if you want to renominate something which yielded a clear "keep", you must have a very good reason for doing so. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

• Very weak keep — as I understand it, the "slang guide" was intended to address how slang is used, not the slang itself. But yes, I'm not sure what useful encyclopedic purpose this list provides, other than perhaps as a future reference. — RJH 15:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge, redirect, and then delete — I was the originator of what is now stored as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sexual slang/2005-10-18, where my rationalle was WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a dictionary (#3 A usage guide, or slang and idiom guide), WP:V, WP:NOR. I apologize for the length of my comment; however, I feel it is necessary to address the various issues involved in this renomination. My original nomination was timed specifically to coincide with discussion then ongoing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Body parts slang 2; in reference accusations of nomination bombardment, I feel that it is appropriate that similar nominations be made concurrently, both to focus the attention of those having opinions on the issue, and to forestall, in some measure, the inevitable claims that the existance of one policy violation supports the existance of another (i.e., if Body parts slang exists, then List of sexual slang should also exist, and vice versa) as were proffered this time by W.marsh. Given the number of people who would agree with the statement "'List of' considered harmful," real nomination bombardment would be stuffing an AFD day with every "List of" article on the site - and that would be harmful, IMHO. Further, the circular logic of using one policy violation to support another at best puts precedent over policy, an idea I think would seriously degrade Wikipedia over time. After all, there's precedent for vanity pages too, and we AFD them, even though at any given time there are plenty of others continuing to exist. That said, I have to agree in part with Stevie is the man! when he claims that Body Parts may not have had proper consensus; if he feels that strongly about it, I would direct him to Deletion Review. Similarly, I am disappointed that this nomination was made so soon, as this diminishes the odds that it will ever be removed - we can't simply renominate every three weeks until we "win," and apparant out-of-process nominations will garner more Keep votes, as exemplified by 23skidoo. Nevertheless, in the end, this article has numerous problems that speak in favor of, at worst, deletion and, at best, Merge as appropriate (the text of the intro and significant, verified terms to Sexual slang per Uncle G, the remaining verifiable terms to WikiSaurus), and I suppose that is constructively my vote here, even if it means my Disciplined Deletionist credentials are revoked. I wish I could spend more time policing the article; OTOH, I would also like to keep my job, and spending time on that particular page is not likely to help me there. FWIW, I think a move to Sexual slang should, at a minimum, keep the neologisms and protologisms to a comparative minimum. One thing I'm sure of: if we decide again to keep this article, we need many more people looking at it to ensure that it does not suck; to do otherwise will serve only to undermine the credibility of the project as a whole, and of Wikipedia policy in general. Keeping it under the present title creates the appearance of condoning, if not encouraging, the addition of, well, anything that makes a schoolboy snicker. Finally, I would also point out that, aside from the fact that this particular subject field has more than its fair share of attraction to vandals, my nomination and comments have never had anything to do with its contents per se, because Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors, nor should it be. --Kgf0 23:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment. I would note that this article has some verifiable content in the begininng, although the list(which violates NOR) drifts off into unencyclopedic nonsense again. The Body Parts Slang article was nothing but a nonesensical list. This really should be categorized into links to Wiktionary, instead of having the list here.Voice of All ^{T|@|Esperanza} 00:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Its a great flytrap for vandals - keeps them away from serious articles. --Ezeu 04:29, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy keep due to the fact that recent AfD discussion on this article resulted in a consensus to keep.  Grue  08:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of video games considered the worst ever

While interesting to read, the topic is inherently biased, and clearly does not belong on the WikiPedia. DarrenBaker 06:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete - for reason above. --DarrenBaker 06:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

This article simply cannot be made NPOV, unless it is split into two articles - one referring to video games that have received harsh criticism from verifiable sources, say 'List of controversial video games', and another referring to video games that were a commercial failure. You cannot combine the two concepts, it becomes completely subjective. --DarrenBaker

• Keep. These are games for which there is broad consensus that they were just terrible; I don't think there's much debate about any of them. It's verifiable in the sense that there are plenty of magazine and web articles discussing how just how terrible they are. I am not a fan of pointless listcruft, and I see your point about NPOV, but this is very interesting reading and a good addition to WP. bikeable (talk) 07:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

(Comment: this page has been up for deletion at least twice before; last time the vote was 14-5. Just fyi; I'm not saying that that should drive this discussion.) bikeable (talk) 07:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete- per Darren Baker. Reyk 07:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but make the article more like how List of films that have been considered the worst ever is done, with gaming review sites giving them low scores. TonicBH 07:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not NPOV. -- (aeropagitica)  07:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong ^Talk 07:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. This is the third nomination on this article in only a matter of months, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Video Games considered the worst ever which ended with "no consensus" and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video games considered the worst ever (2005-11-10) which ended with a clear "keep" consensus. The concern over NPOV was brought up the last two times as well and the counterargument is that the entries here are referenced and that we have similar articles for movies. Nothing new has emerged since then, this is simply rehashing the same argument again, and deletion by attrition should not be encouraged. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 01:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Live From The Haunted Candle Shop

This afd nomination was incomplete. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 11:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete neither the band nor the album appear on allmusic.com Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 11:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC; no label releases; on entry for the artist, admits "He started widespread distribution of his songs under the name of 'Trapezoid', and then Lemon Demon" Jasmol 15:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above.--Syrthiss 21:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Ohnoitsjamie. People voting on this should also look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damn Skippy and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neil Cicierega. --Locke Cole 21:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Ashibaka (tock) 20:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Ohnoitsjamie. *drew 01:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: two more albums by this artist are also up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hip To The Javabean (really, all four of his albums should have been nominated together, but it's too late to merge them probably). --Locke Cole 01:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Logan Donahue

Non-notable blogger; autobiography. Sorry Logan, Delete. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 15:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

• 'Delete NN Vanity Jasmol 17:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn vanity. You gotta love the "trivia" section - like the article contains anything else! Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 17:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non Notable, Vanity in the purest sense.-Dakota ^{t e} 19:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)