Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Middle-earth Men

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 01:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Middle-earth Men

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original resarch and listcruft. Onknkrpwxq 15:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep What makes you think this list is Original research? I've looked over the page, I can't see anything that isn't from Tolkien's material. Listcruft isn't a valid objection either, as the Middle-Earth series is clearly important, therefore a list of characters in it is not cruft. And that's even assume listcruft was available as a reason to delete in the first place. It's not. Mister.Manticore 15:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment User Onknkrpwxq just created this account today, and their only contributions have been nominating articles for deletion. Wavy G 16:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Listcruft is an accepted term and reason for deletion (WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE). This is just a text list of names, very few have a definition/clarification and none have their own articles. meshach 19:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Again, Listcruft is not actually a valid reason to delete. It may be a widely used term, but that doesn't make it acceptable, let alone desirable for an AFD. You can see a caution about its use on the page for listcruft. It's much better to explain why you think a list of characters in a notable series of books is undesirable instead of just saying "This is listcruft" . Furthermore, which of the entries at WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE do you think this list violates? Clearly, it's not 1-6, so the best you can get is 7. And even then, this isn't a plot summary, just a list of characters in the book. There are other Tolkien characters listed. For example see: List of Middle-earth Dwarves and List of Hobbits or even Horses of Middle-earth. Not to mention the dozens of other series with lists for their characters. Like: List of Arthurian Characters, List of Garfield characters, List of Honorverse Characters, and List of Passions Characters. Sorry, but I think it's clear that there's a general desirability to have lists of characters in various works on Wikipedia, as it helps avoid having stub-entries and provides one convenient place to find information. This includes characters in Middle-Earth, whether they be men, dwarves or horses. BTW, I see at least four with their names linked, and several of the rest actually do have articles, but haven't been properly linked. So, at most, this page is incomplete. Big surprise. There's a lot of Tolkien material out htere. Mister.Manticore 00:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete. It's just a long list of names, no encyclopedic content and not very notable. Spinach Dip 21:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This is not original research - it's all from Tolkien's writings. Obviously the list is currently vastly incomplete, which is probably why it is being called listcruft - it seems that the final goal of the page is to have information for every character, which would not be listcruft. --- RockMFR 21:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. How many of these entries can actually have something written about them? Theres over a hundred entries on this list; just HOW can you have info on every single character? Unless you copy the entire article directly from Tolkeins' writings, this will be nothing but a large collection of names with minor and sporatic information. Spinach Dip 00:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
    • If any of the entries can't have anything written about them, they should probably be removed, but I'd say based on what I know of Tolkien, you could easily populate over four dozen of the entries with some detail. I'd suggest somebody good at scripting to auto-link all the entries on this page, then working from there. Mister.Manticore 00:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• Categorize I'm sure it's all verified, but there are a lot of men in Tolkien's Middle Earth. Maybe have an article on notable men in Middle Earth (ie, mentioned more than a few times/chapters). Otherwise, the list will just get huge. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 01:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This needs to be deleted becuase it is only a giant list, no attempt at providing encyclopedic information about these charcters is made. Indexes are better as catagories. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 20:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I see at least half a dozen entries which have some attempt at information on them. Given that this is Tolkien, I expect most of the rest could as well, just nobody has gotten around to it yet, because it's not high priority for the Middle-Earth Project. Mister.Manticore 23:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete and categorise if useful. WP:BAI stuff. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:FICT (characters in a fictional work should be treated in the article unless too long), a mere list seems to fit the bill of being either in the article or just deleted as being of no encyclopedic value. Carlossuarez46 01:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete even if it were massively cleaned-up (formatted consistently, aliases removed, etc.) it would still be an unencyclopedic indiscriminate collection of information. Notable characters have their own articles and non-notable ones don't really need to be mentioned at all. If necessary/desirable information can be added to articles like Edain and Numenoreans but a quick look did not show any likely merge material.

The Category this is redundant to is Category:Middle-earth Men which is neatly subdivided into sub-categories and includes every concievably notable human character from Tolkien's legendarium. Eluchil404 09:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.