Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Marriott hotels

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Apologies to creator for the lost work. Luna Santin 20:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Marriott hotels

List of Marriott hotels (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Wikipedia is not mere collections of external links, a directory, or the yellow pages. Not all of these locations are notable. The United States section is woefully incomplete and has been for months. Some other related pages that may be of concern include List of Hyatt Hotels, List of Sheraton hotels, List of Shangri-La Hotels & Resorts, List of Four Seasons hotels, and List of Radisson Hotels. Khatru2 21:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep - First off, I created most these articles. While it is true, that Wikipedia is not just a mere collection of external links, a directory of sorts, etc. these articles are more than that. For those interested in this debate, you may also be interested in seeing the List of Air Cadet Squadrons in Canada proposed articles for deletion discussion; which has since been closed with a keep result. I listed the list of Air Cadet Squadrons in Canada for the same reason as Khatru2 has listed this article: it is a list and highlights what Wikipedia is not, at first glance. The list of Air Cadet Squadrons in Canada is similar to the list of hotel properties owned by various hotel chains. They list different properties/squadrons in different geographical regions. Some premises stated by various editors from the List of Air Cadet Squadrons discussion used in support of articles that are lists, like this one, include:

• "If it's complete then it's a useful enough list for someone who's interested."
• "...doesn't matter if some of the squadrons [properties] are not notable - the general topic is notable."
• "...there are things you can do with a single list like this that you can't do nearly as easily with a list split across five or six pages - like identify gaps in the numbering, identify the highest and lowest numbered squadron, count the total number of squadrons, look at the distribution of squadrons across the country, etc"

Would also like to add that these article pages that are lists of various properties would also provide value to the proposed WikiProject Hotels

Luke! 21:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Added - Under the Notability guidelines for companies and corporations chains and franchises section, an exception to WP:NOT is inferred, lists such as this one are may be allowed - specifically where it says a, "List of Wal-Marts in China" would be informative and allowed. Luke! 02:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment You say that it is mor ethan a collection of external links or a directory. Can you explain how in this case. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c} 21:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This is the case because, I have found at least, that there is no one page on Marriott.com or the internet (quick search only) that has a listing of all Marriott properties. Visitors to this article page, can identify international property distribution, property concentrations, properties by country, total number of properties, and other GIS-like activities. This article is appears as the 3rd most relevant search result by Google for the keyword search "List Marriott Hotels", that doesn't aim to sell you a Marriott hotel room.Luke! 22:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That still didn't explain how it isn't a collection of external links or a directory. In fact, your explanation made it sound, exactly like a directory. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c} 01:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, a matter of perspective of use. However, the relationship that I have tried to establish here is that if a List of Air (and Sea) Cadet Squadrons in Canada, which is only national in scope, is able to survive AfD...then how can a List of Marriott Hotels, which is international in scope, not survive an AfD. If WP:NOT is to set the criteria, List of Air Cadet Squadrons in Canada should have been deleted and not been kept. The List of Air Cadet Squadrons and this List of Marriott Hotels are essentially the same - lists of entities spread across a wide geographical region owned/managed by a greater organization, all summed up into a list on one Wikipedia article. If the premises provided in support of the List of Air Cadet Squadrons in Canada managed to result in a keep, then isn't it reasonable to assume that the same would happen for similar lists like this one? Luke! 02:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Crufty, serves as an advertisement. Information can easily be found on Marriott's website. Unencyclopedic in origin. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c} 21:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as CA (half of the VSCA), plus WP:NOT a directory/external link repository (not to mention encyclopædia) and duplicate of Marriott website. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 22:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

While it is true that this information can be found on Marriott's website, like in the List of Air Cadet Squadrons in Canada articles for deletion (which I proposed) discussion the information was readily available through the Cadets Canada external links found on the page itself, yet a keep result arose. What I'm trying to convey here is that while this sort of listing information is readily available externally, by consolidating it, visitors to Wikipedia will find it much more useful that visiting Marriott's website. There is no one page on Marriott.com that has all of Marriott's properties. Luke! 22:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, WP:NOT a directory. Listcruft, everything can be found on Marriott's website. I don't see any need for such lists. The Hyatt, Shangri-La, Radisson, Sheraton and Four Seasons hotel lists also can be sent for AFD, basically for the same reason. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Someone seeking a hotel room or wanting info about these properties for whatever reason would be better served by consulting the website of the company. Lists such as this are stale and outdated the day they are imported into Wikipedia. Edison 20:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Commentwell,not all of the hotels are notable but not all are non-notable...what about the one that hosted a wwe hall of fame induction ceremony?thats definitly notable.so i guess ill say remove non-notable hotel chains and move to:list of notable mariott hotels.

• Delete As I said before, Wikipedia does not need to replace the Internet, and Marriott will update this list more responsibly and reliably because it is in their interest to provide their product's availability to the public. Wikipedia only works on whether people care enough, and after all this, only somebody who likes Louisiana is committed enough to really care. So off with it's head, I say! 132.162.250.118 02:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - the few notable hotels should have articles written them, and listed in Marriott. --humblefool® 23:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I think we can safely leave this job to Marriott's marketing department. Guy (Help!) 13:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.