Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa D'Amato

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, I guess. - Bobet 00:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lisa D'Amato

prod was removed by user:Hotwiki without comment. While Hotwiki has added content to the page, D'Amato remains a losing reality show contestant who hasn't gone on to notability after the show; she's just a struggling model with a couple of small gigs since then. Mikeblas 23:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Far on ANTM (Final six) 12,000 Google hits, only ANTM non winner to appear on future season-Acne_Wash
• Weak delete Dang, as much as I like to look at girls; not really notable. I can understand how some editors might want to call every major contestant (final 12 or so) on a major network reality show notable so I will weaken my delete. --Justanother 23:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep, noted reality contestant. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

*Keep Notable for being on a reality TV show. --SunStar Net 12:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Lisa also had a fight with her fellow contender Coryn, where Lisa adviced Coryn to stop working out because Coryn's body looks muscular and Coryn didn't like the comment. Then, after one challenge where Lisa danced on an interview with Chris Spencer, Coryn commented that she need to come up with another dance move. lisa responded that .... Oh God. Delete this now. Eusebeus 15:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment By the logic that keeps her because she was a reality show contestant; I just looked at The Biggest Loser and could not find one contestant with their own entry. Do you really think all reality show contestants are notable just by virtue of being on a show? --Justanother 16:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I do, yes. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
    • OK then, that defines the argument better. Personally, I will change mine then to a weak delete. --Justanother 16:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete notability not established, struck out earlier vote. --SunStar Net 19:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Final six, still working, 12,000 Google hits,only non-winner to have appearence on future top model season
• Weak delete I would say weak keep, until I realized that she didn't even make it to the final five, and pissing in a diaper (and otherwise being obnoxious) doesn't make her notable. Plus, if this page stays, it's gonna need major work. Everytime someone tries to clean it up, it continues to get boggled down with unencyclopedic content. Elcda0 19:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. That's because there's not much to say about someone who isn't notable. Note that Lisa has about 12,000 Google hits. [1] -- Mikeblas 16:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. wikipediatrix 04:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep Lisa is the best contestant on Cycle 5 and I think she will have a career for the coming years. Hello, she was the most entertaining model in the show watch the show if you want a proof or find videos of her in Youtube and she even appear in Cycle Six even though she did not win and did not reach the final five. --hottie 18:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

"Best" is an opinion. "Most entertaining" is an opinion. This is an encyclopedia, we don't use opinions. YouTube is not a valid reference here either. wikipediatrix 18:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I know but that's the reason why I want her article not to be deleted and also "Not really notable" is an opinion. This is an encyclopedia. I'm just saying if you want to watch Lisa go to Youtube.com not add it as a reference.--hottie 18:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, despite my strong personal opinion that so-called "reality tv" is utter crap. The subject's notability seems clearly established. The content is verifiable, if not yet as well-sourced as it could be. --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 21:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, I agree with Doc Tropics. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, everyone is free to create an article if they want, on conditions that if they can verify the information they added to the article is true and if there is a lot of info to find about the concerning matter. I'm not suggesting to make an article for every 'reality star' there has ever been, but the article is well-referenced and meets the requirements for an article. His (user:Hotwiki) comment to keep the article may not be objective, but if the reason to delete the article is because she hasn't won the competition or being a struggling model, then for the same reason, you should also delete all the articles for most of the contestants of American Idol. Most of them haven't had many gigs after the show either but still they are not proposed to be deleted. Some examples from some seasons: Christina Christian (1st season), Amy Adams (season 3), Ayla Brown (season 5). If it was Catie Anderson, it would make perfectly sence to delete the article, it lacks of information, consising of 2 lines. But Lisa's article has much more information (referenced as well). Give it some time. -- Luigi-ish 15:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Wikipedia is not a free-for-all. There are also conditions for keeping articles; one of them is notability. For biographical articles like this one, the applicable criteria are at WP:BIO. The information in the article isn't encyclopedic, and the subject of the article isn't notable. Therefore, the article should be removed. We can always create a new article describing the things that this person has done if they some day do something that is notable. -- Mikeblas 14:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment. User:Hotwiki is continually reverting without explanation my removal of the article's unsourced material, without which this article is just a stub. More disturbingly, the user is relentlessly adding false sources that do not contain the information being referenced. wikipediatrix 15:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Wikipediatrix I think you are actually not reading the link I added, you can see at TV.com link that Lisa actually guests at Cycle 6 and hello do we really need sources of what she did in America's Next Top model what is written there is basically true, she drinks, cousin it, urinating at the diaper, etc are all true. Read the link from televisonwithoutpity.com it is written about the fight of Lisa and Coryn. Lisa already did something notable hello what are you talking about she even won an award because of her role in the show.--hottie 15:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Those were not the links I was referring to. wikipediatrix 16:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

And What? those were the stuffs u deleted.--hottie 16:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. People who have been in a series of a soap season are notable, so is this. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.