Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ligonier ministries

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 04:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ligonier ministries

Appears to be a vanity/advertisement page. I wouldn't be surprised if it was copied from their website. Dark Shikari 19:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Looking at User talk:Reformedlibrary it may have been deleted as a copyright violation. (It wasn't via an AFD.) Hmm. Need to test that issue for this page clearly, but if that is not a problem with this page, then the prior deletion isn't relevant. More research to do before I opine. GRBerry 02:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep They are clearly a notable ministry. If the tone is inappropriate, please clean it up or at least put the appropriate tag on it. I tried to find copyright violations in a few of the sections by google searching for medium length strings. In one case, the only hit I got was Answers.com (a Wikipedia mirror) in another, Answers.com and two sites that used the same wording for listing the purpose of the ministry. I could be convinced otherwise, but I didn't find a copyvio. It also doesn't seem completely researched - it omits that Sproul stepped down from administration when Timothy A. Dick (apparently Sproul's son in law) was appointed president in November 2004. [1] They are one of the earliest members (possibly a charter member) of the ECFA [2], have a longer than average listing at ministrywatch.com (and having a listing at all is weak evidence of notability) [3], publish books and periodicals, have a radio program with distribution on all continents except Antarctica and in the U.S. over 2 million listeners a week. Should be moved to the proper capitalization. GRBerry 02:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment: I did a quick Google test for copyright vio and plagiarism. (copy between 3/4 of a sentence to two sentences into the google search box, inclose in quotes and see what pages are hit.) The only pages hit are this article in Wikipedia and the Answers.com mirror of Wikipedia. My conclusion is that it is not an IP violation, legally or ethically. I also believe this ministry passes notibility tests, especially since it is directly associated with R. C. Sproul, a major conservative Reformed Christian scholar. What is it about the page that says advertisement? --CTSWyneken(talk) 19:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 15:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Appears well-researched, referenced, and original text. Powers 21:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Well known presence in U.S. Reformed / Calvinist circles. Meets the "I had heard of it before seeing the Wikipedia entry" test. Probably should move to Ligonier Ministries. Smerdis of Tlön 22:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
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