Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Zalben

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep the company, and keep the owner due to lack of consensus. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peanut Butter & Co., Lee Zalben

Peanut Butter & Co. is a sandwich shop and Lee Zalben is its owner. Articles created by Zalben (talk • contribs) (sole contributions). The cookbook [1] has a foreword by Jerry Seinfeld. Notable? I'm neutral so far; perhaps Lee Zalben should be merged to PB&C. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-26 08:51Z

• Delete, vanity and also fails to meet WP:CORP criteria. --Terence Ong 09:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Peanut Butter & Co. and delete for Lee Zalben as its vanity. --Terence Ong 13:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Peanut Butter & Co., Merge Lee Zalben, I think it does meet WP:CORP, quite a few articles on Google, referenced on FoodTV as notable for peanut butter sandwiches, but the Lee Zalben article should be merged. Some vanity though, agreed. -- Samir Grover 09:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment the listing of types of PB is probably much -- Samir Grover 09:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Peanut Butter & Co. but Delete Lee Zalben as non-notable vanity biography. —This user has left wikipedia 11:03 2006-01-26
• Keep and Delete, respectively, as above. Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'm going to be sick imagining a peanut butter sandwich bar. --Agamemnon2 13:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • It's in guidebooks (even, I think, The Rough Guide). --Calton | Talk 00:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the company, but delete the dude's article. If I were ever to attend New York, I'd be dieing to see this shop..*sigh* but unfortunately, I gotta stay home..SoothingR 21:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Lee Zalben as well. Yes, he meets the standards now, I'd say.SoothingR 07:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep company, delete bio. I've been by there, but it was before they opened for the day, damnit, so I missed the chance. NEXT time I'm in New York, though... --Calton | Talk 00:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• Wow, we never thought making these postings would create so much discussion. Thank you for your comments. As the fastest growing national brand of peanut butter, we felt the company deserved an article. As for my own, I looked at the People Still Alive section of the Vanity test:

  Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more

  Our cookbook has sold well over 5,000 copies, and we have more cookbooks in the works.
  Whatever you folks decide, thanks for the opportunity to carve out a little piece of Wikipedia for peanut butter! --Zalben 03:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• Alright then. If you're able to verify that, I'm willing to change my vote.SoothingR 10:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

• If you can provide the ISBN of that book then we can verify it and cancel the deletion for you. Stifle 16:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
• The ISBN for The Peanut Butter & Co. Cookbook is 1-59474-056-9. Thanks! --Zalben 15:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep both. I have added some additional documentation. This guy just released his book a few months ago and created quite a buzz; as much as you can within the novelty food biz. Please reconsider your votes. I also ask that this AfD be given extra time since I feel that Zalben, who wrote the entry, simply did not understand the Wikipedia style and failed to document his successs as we would wish and not one other person in the Wikipedia community assisted him with the article until today. The aritcle was AfD'ed within hours of him creating it. He is obviously clowning around in the photo, but he is clearly serious about the business and the brand that he created. He has worked for 8 years to build his brand which is now distributed to 4000 shops. The book is reported by Amazon at a rank of #84,196, but note that this number is computed daily [2]. This guy's success did not happen by accident. -- Pinktulip 18:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• keep co., delete Lee Zalben as per above--Jiang 18:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Given the book sales, keep both. Stifle 01:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Although he seems to be a minor personality, he easily meets the standard. Sam Sloan 02:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.