Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Landofvenus

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 20:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Landofvenus

Doesn't seem notable. Was prodded, contested by article creator. ...Scott⁵¹¹⁴ 03:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep with two references. The article has greatly improved since the prod. Melchoir 04:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Melchoir - well sourced, and has a claim to notability. Of course, I have my doubts about that claim - the *first* porn site to feature a webcam? Really? But even giving it a little latitude and assuming it's among the first, I think that's adequate criterea for notability. --Hyperbole 05:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; the user, by some twist of fate named Venuscam, has posted the link to the commercial website on numerous articles. This is obviously spam, and the only thing this article does is validate it. Sfacets 05:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Were they using a different account earlier? The only edit I see is this one. Melchoir 05:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep if anime voice actors get their own pages surely adult movies deserve their own space as well. The article should be improved regardless. --ReptileLawyer 05:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep After a review of the rules for deletion and a review of the other pages in this catagory I do not see any reason why this page was nominated for deletion. --TurboArrow 1900, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

(^does anyone find it strange that the first edit made by this new user is this one?) Melchoir: yes, I have a feeling that venuscam and 12.201.105.50 could be one and the same. Sfacets

• Delete per nom. Nakkidnerds.com had a webcam at inception in 1997 (and by no means claimed to be the first commercial porn site to do so), but contrary to assertions, Wayback Machine doesn't verify any extant webpages for Landofvenus.com earlier than November of 1998. If we're going to declare an article notable on the mere assertion by the author that it is, we ought to at least take the trouble to verify the truth of the claim. RGTraynor 15:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep per Melchoir and on the conditions set by RGTraynor. --Arnzy (Talk) 15:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep As the original author and no I do not work for the website, this is my defense on my page and reason for what I wrote. I did not say she was the first to use a webcam, I said streaming video AND audio as a webcam, You have to read what is written and not what you want it to say. The first company to make a program that broadcast streaming audio was Ultravid. Landofvenus was a beta tester for it and at the time, was the only one using it. In 1997 there were several sites that had webcams, some even tried to emulate streaming video by using webcam32, but as far as I know, and by doing research, she was the first one to use streaming video and audio as a webcam. At the time, there were only 2 companies (to my knowledge) that made streaming video software, one was ultravid, the other was emulive, which landofvenus is on the cover of their product of as a beta tester also. If you KNOW of someone else who used streaming video and audio prior to april 1997 then state who they are, but just because you do not know of anyone else does not mean you can just say its false. I cannot verify most of what I read on most of these pages, but that does not give me the right to say they are wrong. If we go by the standard which you all are trying to use, then most of these pages will have to be placed up for review for deletion. --Venuscam 0900, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.