Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lake Lawn Resort

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). For those interested, vote count is 11 to delete, 6 to keep. I cannot call that a consensus. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:48, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lake Lawn Resort

Not notable, or at least not established, and it's an ad. Mmmbeer 00:50, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. I can't find anything that makes it notable, either. AlbertR 01:00, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Although it's largely just a resort, it does have its own runway, and there aren't many holiday resorts (or similar) that have that. It gets lots of Googles (9700ish) too. If I'm being misled by their website here, I'm mind-changeable. -Splash 01:11, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
  • It's fewer than that. I'm sure that this isn't the only "Lake Lawn Resort". If you make it "'Lake Lawn Resort' Delavan", you get like 6k, and lots are duplicated yellow page listings. Are all resorts, notable? Mmmbeer 01:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
    • No, most certainly not all resorts are notable. Perhaps this is my UK perspective: if a resort here had its own airstrip, it would be quite something. The Google hits are, as you say, quite a lot of advertising. But quite a few of them also appeared to be mentions that Company X had had their Event Y there. Though any resort can manage that. Ho hum...I'm struggling a bit with this one. -Splash 02:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete It's a resort with an airport (i'm still not sure if that makes it notable). However, this is all the article says. It also reads like an ad. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 01:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Most of it is actually plagiarised from the website, but I think it has enough interspersed fluff to avoid copyvio. -Splash 02:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. Resorts are generally notable as places with communities of interest and this particular one was founded in 1879. Capitalistroadster 02:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete, unless significantly improved. The article is currently little more than an advert and a platform for an external link. And I suspect that claiming you've got an airport generally means you've got a longish strip of tarmac. Flowerparty ^talk 02:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. Alex.tan 03:11, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and Expand It seems notable enough Cyclone49 11:00, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete for non-notability and commercial advertisement, unless notability can be demonstrated. Airstrips on resorts are not notable IMO, there are housing developments that have them. The Hokkaido Crow 21:25, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 12:22, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable destination for people in the upper Midwest. By the way, if you search just "Lake Lawn" and "Delavan" you pick up a couple thousand more hits than with the word "Resort" added, since a lot of people refer to it as "Lake Lawn Lodge". DS1953 19:31, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete just a poorly written advertizement. Vsmith 23:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I just wikified it. I can't see any strong reason to delete it Megapixie 03:07, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 03:16, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. NN & Ad. --RoySmith 01:24, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete advertising, notability not established. JamesBurns 03:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. The current version seems factual.

The question is not whether it's factual, but whether it's notable. What's so special about this place that sets it apart from other resorts? Does it have a long and distinguished history? Have famous people gone there? Have there been notable events that happened there? Anything? So far, the most interesting thing the article tells you is how long it takes to drive there from Chicago. --RoySmith 00:07, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, but I disagree that non-notability is a valid criterion for deletion, except to the extent where it precludes verifiability. People's appeal to non-notability as a reason for deletion makes it appear as though it is a non-controversial part of official WP policy. As it stands, I see no reason why people who are looking for information on Lake Lawn Resort should be met with a blank page. arj 01:07, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.