Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Konstantine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Even ignoring the sock puppets, there are 5 delete votes and 3 keep votes, which is not enough for consensus. — JIP | Talk 06:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Konstantine

This article should be deleted: Poorly written, POV, self-contradictory, unreferenced article about a fairly unknown song, that is above all not even notable. Any note-worthy information on this song might as well be included in the appropriate album articles or the Something Corporate article, but the song itself does not qualify for an article of its own. HarryCane 18:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete -- article even asserts that the song is "unknown." -- MisterHand 18:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, although I'm intrigued as to why this unknown song has such an extensive edit history. Flyboy Will 20:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. -- JJay 02:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - the song itself is a momumental piece of the band's history, and well known inside band circles. It is only unknown because the band traditionally shunned publicity.
  • The above unsigned vote was done by an anonymous IP (User:81.179.78.163) with no other contributions to Wikipedia, and might be a sock puppet. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 17:35, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: The song is not unknown because "the band traditionally shunned publicity", but because it was never released on an album with a print run larger than 1000 copies. Also, your saying it is "well known inside band circles" stands in direct contrast to the second sentence of the article ("The song is relatively unknown, largely because it has not been released locally to the brunt of the band's fanbase."). As for the band's history, I find it far less significant than any of their singles, for instance. HarryCane 13:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, or merge with Something Corporate, the song is clearly the band's most popular song, see google results --User:Carie 15:44, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm in agreement with this. It is a song that, upon listening to, people (such as myself as I did just now) may go directly to Wikipedia via url hoping to find more information on. This is not just any old song, as anyone who has listened to it can testify to. At the very least it should be merged into the Something Corporate page with its own header.
• Delete, the song does not justify an article of its own. What little would be left of this article after proper cleaning up might as well be included in the related band or album article. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 17:35, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep ryan-d 06:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep this article! (AJGrant) It provides insight into one of my favorite SoCo songs. Perhaps you should merge it with your Something Corporate entry.
  • The above vote was done by a new user with no other contributions to Wikipedia, and might be a sock puppet. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 14:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator, else merge and redirect to Something Corporate. --Blu Aardvark | ^{(talk) | (contribs)} 23:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge: This song is a starting point for many fans of the band (including myself). The song, despite no major album release, is a big hit on P2P networks, which has had a big effect on the band's popularity. 99% of the band's fans worship this song - clean it up, and if necessary merge/redirect. thomazhole 1 Jan 2006
  • The above vote was done by a new user with no other contributions to Wikipedia, and might be a sock puppet. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 14:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, Clean or Merge TheDriver959 This article is about an amazing song that the whole fanbase of Something Corporate knows. I myself started with this one and worked my way into the band. Andrew McMahon so much as said himself that if it wasn't for the number of fans that adored the song, the band would never play it because it's so long. The article explains the depth of the song and just how many different points of view one can see by listening to the words. And everyone can relate something in their life to this song, be it happy or sad. Konstantine deserves an article of it's own, and if not then it at least deserves a fair mention in the Something Corporate entry.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.