Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalendar Koffee House

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  16:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kalendar Koffee House

Non-notable coffeehouse with aspirations to being a local chain. Also advertising and apparent vanity article, as all but one of the previous edits are by one of the proprietors. An all but identical article was tagged for AFD at Kalendar Koffee House Company a couple of days ago. Because of the time lapse before Bridesmill found this, I'm putting it up for a separate vote. Delete. DMG413 16:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. Dlyons493 Talk 16:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - a Koffee House. For great justice. 16:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, obvious advertisement. -- P199 17:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non notable.Obina 18:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. vanspamvertisment Bridesmill 20:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:VSCA, WP:NOT the Yellow Pages. --Kinu ^t/_c 23:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - a Koffee House. - Hahnchen 01:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as serious spam. Kuru ^talk 03:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleting Kalendar from the coffee house category is wrong. To claim that Kalendar is advertising is also incorrect. The Kalendar article lists date of opening and location with interior photo and complies with WP:NPOV standards. The so called "vanity" aspects have been removed from the article. Kalendar may not be as "noteable" as the larger chains, but that should not preclude it from listing in the coffee house category. To call this article spam would be to call all listings in this category spam. The previous AFD article was edited down to be considered for inclusion - tis all. No harm intended. Please reconsider. The following is the opening paragraphs of the Starbucks listing. I imagine that all listings in this category are similar to this.EllisCHanna 04:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Starbucks NASDAQ: SBUX (SEHK: 4337), is a large multinational chain of coffee shops, often serving pastries, popular in the US especially among students and young urban professionals. The corporate headquarters are in Seattle, Washington. The company was in part named after Starbuck, a character in Moby-Dick, and its insignia is a stylized cartoon Siren. According to the company's fact sheet, as of February 2006, Starbucks had 6,216 company-operated outlets worldwide: 5,028 of them in the United States and 1,188 in other countries and U.S. territories. In addition, the company has 4,585 joint-venture and licensed outlets, 2,633 of them in the United States and 1,952 in other countries and U.S. territories.

• It's still not notable - see Wikipedia:Notability for more information. Sorry. --Khoikhoi 04:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• By definition most of the listings in the coffee house category are "non-notable". In fact the majority of the listings are not known outside the constituency where they are established. Being "non-notable" has always been a difficult area for editors. In this instance for example, the band The Pursuit of Happiness wrote a song and video about Kalendar (1996 Kalendar/Gretzky Rocks/In Praise Of (T.W.A.-The World's Address). This by definition makes Kalendar a noteable entity by Wikipedia standards see Wikipedia:Notability "A topic has notability if it is known outside of a narrow interest group or constituency, or should be because of its particular importance or impact". EllisCHanna 04:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Actually, if something is not notable, it is a pretty good reason to delete it; see WP:N and WP:ENC. The comparison to Starbucks is irrelevant, as that company clearly meets an inclusion standard, WP:CORP, based on the second word of its article (NASDAQ). Also, if there are other non-notable coffee houses with articles, instead of those being a reason to keep this article, consideration must be made as to whether those should be deleted as well (i.e, "two wrongs don't make a right"). --Kinu ^t/_c 04:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC) (Cross-post from my talk page.)
• Ellis, if it was a chain I'd reconsider, but I just don't see any claims for notability. --Khoikhoi 05:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Thank you Khoikhoi. Point well made. Not being a chain is a very good RFD and this should have been the only point voted on. Claims of being "non-noteable", or "advertising" or my favorite "vanspamvertisment" are invalid. I will respectfully remove the Kalendar listing from the coffee house category until we have a number of locations and qualify for inclusion.EllisCHanna 05:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. A picture does not mean keep. Vegaswikian 00:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.