Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalakat Illam

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was to keep the article. Keep: no consensus

[edit] Kalakat Illam

Seems to be some kind of personal genealogy or family history page. -- Curps 12:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

• Userfy to user myashu. He provides a link to illams [1] but it's not very specific. Can anyone explain just what God's bhoothaganangals are? Dlyons493 Talk 16:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

bhoothaganangals = demons. Theyyam will give you an idea what these figures look like.

Manthravaadam and Thanthram = sorcery, wizardry

Hope this helps *grin* Tintin 16:39, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Its not intended to be made a family history, its a piece of valuable information that might get extinct after couple of years, hence getting tailored to the pedia.

• Comments To Myashu : Please sign your posts with four ~s. The article could do with a lot of cleanup and translation of Malayalam words to English.

I have no clue what to vote for. I am from Kerala;I have heard about the legend of Parasurama mentioned in the article, but haven't heard of this house. But that does not necessarily mean that the subject is not noteworthy. My criteria for voting on articles related to Kerala and Malayalam is whether they are important enough to make it to a Malayalam encyclopaedia. This article would be a borderline case. Tintin 23:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Tintin, Wikipedia entries have to be verifiable. As currently written, I'm afraid I don't even understand much of it. If there is an encyclopedic topic here, the article could perhaps be salvaged with a rewrite. -- Curps 17:06, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

192.94.94.105 12:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC) Tintin, According to the legend, there are 7 namboothiri manthravaadam family illams that had been created by Lord Parasurama. A few are Kaattumadam, soorya kaladi, kalakat,panthalakkottath, kalloor, pullancheri. Probably you have not heard because of the pronounciation of the word KALAKAT in english(some people read it as the house name of famous kunjan nambiar, probably thats a draw back of english language.) There are treatments for "Baadha Ozhippikkal", "Apasmaaram" etc. Earlier this family had Ayurvedic treatments too. Later down the lane of generations it wasn't getting carried over and it ended with late Sreedharan Thirumump. More stories are still there to be updated. Collecting data. Hopefully this article might be usefull to put light on other namboothiri families who are maintaining the same status. More info can be obtained from the famous book, aithihyamala, the garland of legends...

• Translation

"Baadha Ozhippikkal" - exorcism

"Apasmaaram" - epilepsy

Aithihyamala - lit. 'A garland of legends'. A massive book written in early 20th century which contains some 100 essays on the legends and folklore of Kerala. Tintin 20:14, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• I would have normally abstained from a topic that I know so little about. But since the others are in no better position than me, I guess I have to vote. I have no reason to doubt Myashu's honesty or earnestness but still, since there is no opportunity to verify the contents and as the article needs a lot of rework, I have to go for a userfy.

To Myashu : Userfy is not the same as delete. It means that it will be moved to your userspace, ie, to wiki/User:Myashu/Kalakkat Illam. You can continue working on it. Once you have completed writing, we can make it more encyclopaediac, and translate all the Malayalam words to English. I can do that for you.

As Curps mentioned above, verifiability is critical for articles in Wiki. So see if you can find references to your Illam in encylopaedias like Akhilavijnanakosam, Sarvavijnanakosam or Visvavijnanakosam, Aithihyamala, newspaper articles, or any book on Kerala heritage and add data from there. If Kalakat Illam has an article of its own in any one of these three encyclopaedias, that alone should be sufficient to make it eligible for wikipedia.

Once this is done, we can look at moving it back to its current location. Please don't get disappointed, and do continue to contribute.

Please try to login when you contribute. It is always easier to communicate through your talkpage than posting here. Tintin 20:05, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

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