Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kadavul

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 08:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kadavul

dict defn as best Ewok Slayer 00:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - extreme brevity, lack of context, possible vanity (with the picture). 147.70.242.21 01:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - vanity, hoax?, etc HackJandy 07:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - it appears to be a hindu name for God. [1]. Oh, and I think everyone would benefit if, before making a vote, they had a quick check on google Zordrac 08:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Dicdef - see here: [2]. I was wrong, its the tamil name for allah (islam). I somehow forgot that Hindus worship everything :). Its a dicdef. Modified article to suit. Move to wiktionary. Zordrac 08:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Of course, in saying that, the fact that people in Oman and India and Hawaii had all made temples and plays and such calling them "Kadavul" this that or the other suggests that it may warrant an encyclopaedic article. I'm not sure. Does God warrant an encyclopaedic article? Or how about a name for God? If we have an article for Jehovah or Beelzebub or some other obscure name for a deity, then we probably should keep this. Actually, stuff it, I don't know which way to vote on this one. Zordrac 08:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. In its original form, it was certainly worth deleting, but now it's a perfectly reasonable (sub)stub. If somebody can expand it a bit with some information specific to the name Kaduvul, it's worth keeping as a standalone article. At worst, it should get a redirect to Allah --RoySmith 14:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Unless there is something unique to the tamil interpretation, redirect this alternate name for Allah. We keep separate articles for seperate concepts. Alternate names are resolved through redirects. Rossami (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

From what I read, with the game shows and temples and all of the rest, there are assertions towards this name having meaning that is separate from Allah. Zordrac 18:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect per Rossami, assuming it is accurate, and merge this in the article about Allah. If there is something unique about the way Allah is conceived or worshipped by Tamil speakers, the article needs to mention what that difference is. If it's only a synonym, redirect. Smerdis of Tlön 16:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

It did seem pretty obvious that it was the word for Allah, both from the original version of the article and from the google search I did on it. But I am not sure. The existence of all of those game shows and temples and stuff with the name "Kadavul" suggests that a redirect is probably inappropriate. Zordrac 18:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - I am going to vote now. I have discussed this in dic def talk, and it seems that there is a clear precedent for making an encyclopaedic article about the name of a deity. Based on what references I did have a look at, it seems that this has an encyclopaedic value at least partially independent of Allah. After all, there is an Indian English-speaking game show called "Kadavul" while they speak English and could easily have named it Allah. There must be some reason for that. So, while I am not the one that should be writing the article, I think we should stub it and leave it for someone a bit more knowledgeable. Zordrac 05:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Can you say something more about the game show ? Tintin 15:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep-Its still a stub but it looks much better now. -- --(User | Talk | Contribs) 05:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete kadavul is the Tamil word for God, not just for Allah. That apart, it can't have anything more than a dictionary entry. Any relevant info can be moved to Islam in Tamil Nadu or some such article. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
  • By the way, redirecting this to Allah would be inaccurate and inappropriate. And, I want to remind that it is not a name of a God, but merely the Tamil word for God. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to God; if there is anything significant to say about the word Kadavul itself, the entry can be expanded later. No need to delete. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as per Sundar. As said above, kadavul means God, not just Allah. Tintin 15:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Sundar. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:04, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per Sundar. --Gurubrahma 06:20, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• Comment - Someone has changed the article a bit - changed Allah to God and touched it up a little.Tintin 00:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. utcursch | talk 10:00, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect per Sundar. Herostratus 23:50, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.