Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Besant

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Shanel ^§ 00:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Justin Besant

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The article is full of lies. None of the albums in the discography exist and their names along with those of The Cortez Trio are complete nonsense. This article along with edits to others were created by Chinamanjoe who is Justin Besant. He is a high school student nothing more. He has never toured through Canada and The Cortez Trio is him and two friends performing at Cafe Bleu which is a school music recital. There has been continued vandalism of other pages such as Annie Besant who Chinamanjoe claims that Justin Besant is the great-nephew of. However if this were true, Justin Besant would be well over 90 years old. Also, the only record of Justin Besant is on self-editable webpages such as this and http://www.last.fm. If one were to look at his last.fm page: http://www.last.fm/music/Justin+Besant they would discover that his albums seem rediculous and all there are are a few songs he made in his spare time on his keyboard in his room. The pictures on his albums are also clearly stolen and the entire thing is obviously fake. This page was also made by Chinamanjoe. Yofoxyman 00:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, GBS
• keep, fairly popular in Toronto, notable i think —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.150.33.183 (talk • contribs) .
• Delete, couldn't find anything relevant on allmusic --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, I dont know who Yofoxyman man is, but he is obviously some bored kid with too much time on his hands. He has made a variety of personal attacks as well.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chinamanjoe (talk • contribs) 2006-04-23t01:08:51z.

BTW, yofoxyman was banned for these posts. They are nonsense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chinamanjoe (talk • contribs) 2006-04-23t02:05:23z.

Everything "Yofoxyman" has said above is a lie. He is just making personal attacks. He for some reason has something against this artist and wants to remove the page. There is a reason he is currently banned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chinamanjoe (talk • contribs) 2006-04-23t02:08:41z.

The above vote is by the article creator. -- Jeandré, 2006-04-23t02:43z

• Delete, WP:V -- Jeandré, 2006-04-23t01:16z
• Delete, for all the reasons listed above Yofoxyman 01:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The above vote is by the nominator, banned for personal attacks. -- Jeandré, 2006-04-23t02:43z

• Comment, I guess Cortez Trio should be nominated for deletion as well. --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unverifiable, hoax. --Terence Ong 03:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Terence Ong; unverifiable, likely a hoax. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 03:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all per Terence Ong and TBC. Ludicrous hoax. Nothing on allmusic. This diff is also telling, wherein Justin Besant claimed relation to [1] women's rights activist Annie Besant. I live in Toronto, and I've never heard of the Cafe Bleu. I think Justin is just a kid at UTS [2] [3] [4] -- Samir (the scope) धर्म
• Delete per Terence Ong. Hoax and unverifiable.--Cini 10:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable I think. --Thorpe | talk 14:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, I don't really understand this hoax concept. Notability, I can understand, but hoax i cannot. Is every page I create going to be considered a hoax, just becuase some wacko highschool kid said so? Is the Steve Koven page a hoax? Is the The Maytones page a hoax? Is the Vernon Buckley page a hoax? How about all those other contriubtions I have made. Are those all hoaxes as well? I think you should reconsider everything Yofoxyman has said. Remember, he is the one that is currently banned. Chinamanjoe 16:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Unverifiable, likely a hoax.JCO312 21:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Notable. I think. -74.12.80.142 23:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Notable. -74.12.120.227 23:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok I did some research. All IPs from the University of Toronto Schools are 142.150.33.***. In this case the following two votes are not from "the creator of the article from different school computers". They are from different computers around Toronto. Chinamanjoe 01:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC) the precedding two posts both made by the creator of the article from different school computers Yofoxyman 00:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC) Please provide a source for this statement. The preceeding two posts were made from different locations around Toronto. Not from University of Toronto Schools. Thank you.

Regarding Yofoxyman's previous statement which I have removed because it was completely false and would just be misleading. -- No, they most certainly were not! I would know, since 1) I didn't vote for them (and I am the creator) and I don't know who did. 2) those IP addresses are clearly not from the same building. 3) If you are referring to the University of Toronto Schools, which I assume you think I am from, which I am not, but anyways, those are not even the correct IP addresses, so I would appreciate it if you retracted your statement since it is completely based on speculation not fact. Thank you. Chinamanjoe 00:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

it has already been proven that you are from the university of toronto schools, also, i believe that UTS's IP addresses are actually registered to UofT and not UTS. Also, why have they all been from similar IP addresses and not from actual users. I also hope you don't plan on creating new accounts just to post here. Yofoxyman 00:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Prove to me that those IP addresses are from the University of Toronto Schools then! I think you might have some trouble, becuase as far as I am aware, I have only voted once. By similar IP addresses, I think you mean they are all addresses from the GTA (Toronto), which is where Justin Besant's fan base mainly resides. Maybe Justin Besant is more popular than you thought. Chinamanjoe 00:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

is it a coincidence that on all pages with mention to justin besant on wikipedia that Chinamanjoe is the only one who speaks in his favour? it's not.Chinamanjoe is justin besant, there's nothing more to the story, and hes behind everything. Yofoxyman 00:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I personally consider this to be a personal attack. I am certainly not Justin Besant! You have based that on absolutely nothing. Please take it back immediately. Chinamanjoe 00:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

No chance, it has already been made pretty obvious that you are Justin Besant. This, last.fm, the fact that you saved the entire justin besant page on your user page so you would still have it to put up after it was deleted. Stop denying it, everyone here knows its true. You are your biggest and only fan. And I am not saying this as a personal attack, it is a clear fact. Yofoxyman 00:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This is libel. Please retract your statements, they have no factual basis. I would go as far as to say that they are outright lies. Thank you. Chinamanjoe 01:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• keep he's somewhat popular. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.151.166.27 (talk • contribs) .
• Keep, Notable. Not a hoax. -70.29.176.91 00:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Justin Besant is great... well, ok he's tolerable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.223.134.138 (talk • contribs).
• Comment Does anyone else find it strange how all these people voting in favour of Justin Besant are making their first posts on wikipedia and that none of them have accounts? Very fishy. Yofoxyman 01:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable, meatpuppet supported. --InShaneee 01:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep Justin Beasant's has reached ottawa and is growing in popularity - Ottawagirl298 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.51.231.134 (talk • contribs).
• keep, Justin's a notable musician —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.136.101.37 (talk • contribs).
• Comment strange how so many people suddenly started posting from IPs which have never posted on wikipedia before. can someone do an ip trace or something here? Yofoxyman 02:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, created by a vandal [5] , and supported by sock/meat puppets. Antandrus (talk) 03:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Sayonara per above. —Khoikhoi 03:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: no evidence of notability TimBentley (talk) 04:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: notable and popular in Toronto 142.150.32.60 15:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete NN. Startup account 20:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable 142.150.32.215 22:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Popular, notable —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.150.32.215 (talk • contribs).
• Keep, released multiple albums —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.150.32.216 (talk • contribs).
• Keep, big fan, keep —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.150.32.219 (talk • contribs).
• Delete This IP and the past few are from UTS - see chinamajoe's post 142.150.32.215 22:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable as has released three albums and has his own website. In any case, policy isn't an end in itself, but a means to an end. I haven't seen any comments on what deleting the article will actually accomplish.--Primetime 04:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Protecting the integrity of Wikipedia is a goal worth trying to accomplish. The complete lack of any evidence to support this article in places you'd expect to find it, plus the fact that only the creator of the page and a handful of people from apparently the same ISP seem to think that this is worth saving, are enough for me to think this needs to go. JCO312 21:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.