Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Sawyer

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 09:46, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Josh Sawyer

• Ok, folks, I realize that in the original article, I didn't post links to the game designs he is notable for working on. I welcome your comments in that regard.

I have now included these links. He is, at the very least, notable to computer role playing gamers. Perhaps you are not included in that group of people, but if you look around Wikipedia, there is a page about almost every game he has worked on. To leave THOSE pages on Wikipedia, but to not include Josh Sawyer, is to have articles about the short stories of Ray Bradbury, but no Wikipedia entry about Ray Bradbury. I'm not saying that he's another Ray Bradbury - but he's worked on some of the better CRPG games that have come out in the last 5 years. Thank you. - Original Article Author.

Looks like NN self promotion The curate's egg 07:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete nn-bio. MCB 07:45, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
• This is not self promotion. I wrote this article after seeing JE Sawyer's name mentioned in an entry about Black Isle Studios, and there being no link to him. He is mentioned as working with world famous game designer John Romero on the Gauntlet game. I will add a link to that entry when I get a chance. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.176.219.118 (talk • contribs) 09:11 EDT, 8 September 2005.
• Delete It may not be self-promotional, but it still looks like advvertisment or fan-tribute, and the person looks non-notable to me. Dopes not quite qualify under WP:CSD A7 IMO, but still not notable enough for a wikipedia article. DES ^(talk) 15:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete for, unlike the The curate's egg, no part of it is excellent. Dottore So 17:21, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn. Andrew pmk | Talk 23:49, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - notable to whom? I performed the old google search on both "josh sawyer" and "je sawyer". Most of the hits meant for this Josh Sawyer come from computer gaming sites, which take the time to track his employement changes and report them as news. I've been surprised it has taken this long for someone to attempt an article for WP. For the purposes of disclosure, I was friends with Josh while we were both students at Lawrence University. -Acjelen 00:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable Marcus22 14:55, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Of interest only to those whose whole world is inside a video game. Not notable for a general-purpose encyclopedia ♠DanMS 01:59, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non notable, one anon IP author G Clark 02:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. A middling-important game designer, having worked at Bioware, Bethesda Softworks, and whatever Romero's latest startup is. He's not John Romero or Sid Meier in importance, but he's newsworthy at least. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Seems nn, and despite anon's protestations of innocence, looks like resume cruft to me.---CH (talk) 04:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Just to come to the defense of both Josh and the anonymous user, Josh would never disguise myself in order to write his own WP article. But if he did, there would be many more sockpuppets on this page voting to keep it. -Acjelen 00:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• For The Love of Pete Hillman, your 'resume cruft' theory is hilarious. Do you really think there are people out there who have written in their resume, "See my entry in Wikipedia", and that such an act would mean something to ANYONE doing hiring? Also, I had to look up the word cruft in Wikipedia, during which time I was slightly embarassed for not knowing it, but also glad that I had found Wikipedia. I use it about every day to look up something I read online, or some vague cultural reference. It's easier and more concise than Google.

Why am I posting with just my IP? I don't see how registering as a user isn't something Sawyer himself could do. I'm not going to take the time to register as I'll likely never have reason to post a Wikipedia entry again.

The full truth is, as I have written it, take it or leave it:

1) I saw Sawyer's name mentioned in an article about Black Isle Studios when I was looking back at the Baldur's Gate series in Wikipedia. 2) I remembered him from talk about the game Fallout 3 some time ago. 3) I wondered "Who is this Josh Sawyer? What is he up to today??" 4) I saw that he had no Wikipedia entry. 5) I then decided to make my first (and probably only, thanks to rude people like DanMS and Hillman) Wikipedia entry after googling him and finding quite a lot of info and interviews. 6) Sorry for trying to help expand the content of this site. 7) I'll go back to being a regular browser. You can proceed on Deleting or Keeping this article, I have made my best case with the Ray Bradbury analogy at the top of this page. Thank you for your time. 71.10.112.33 03:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Why not? Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 07:42, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. The comparison to Ray Bradbury is faulty, as Bradbury wrote books by himself. If I was part of the construction crew that built the Empire State Building, I would not be notable, even if the building is. The architect who designed it may be notable, tho. I can't tell very well where this guy fits in exactly, so no vote yet. Friday (talk) 18:26, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Answer to Comment. Is it common for Wikipedians to judge entries that are not in their area of expertise/interest? If you don't know what a Lead Designer does for a video game... why are you voting Keep or Delete in this area at all?

Link about what a Game Designer does: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6129276/index.html?tag=boxcar_all_features_headline

I mean this in all seriousness, and not to offend you. Going with your Empire State Building example - I wouldn't go around the architecture areas of Wikipedia and judge whether certain designers and companies were or were not notable. I know nothing or architecture or building construction.
As for your Empire State Building analogy... if building and architectural magazines were posting about your state and place of employment, and regularly running interviews with you, and people in web-site forums that didn't know you personally were asking about you and where you were working now ~ then I would conclude that you are a notable person "worthy" of a Wikipedia entry in regards to computer and console role playing video games. Try doing a google search for "JE Sawyer", "J.E. Sawyer" and "Josh Sawyer". You will find numerous interviews, forum discussions, and video game magazine articles. Mark aka Ye Olde Anonoymous Forum Poster who started this entire stupid thread, which I now regret. LOL. 71.10.112.33 23:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

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