Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joaquin Santos

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete per discussion as failing WP:MUSIC. Shell ^babelfish 21:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joaquin Santos

Nonnotable rapper. Bare assertion of notability, but then article says "his dream is to be widely recognized". NawlinWiki 21:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

His dream is to be widely recognized in the Latino Communities in the United States (see article! He is already widely recognized throughout El Salvador. Want some proof? here's some proof.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fat Lui (talk • contribs).

• • Response OK, fair enough, but the article came through in Spanish for me when I clicked the link. Also, it's one music website -- not sure it counts as a reliable source. Any mainstream news articles, hit chart listings, etc.? NawlinWiki 21:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete as unverifiable until there are reliable sources in English. I'm not sure if he'll be notable even if he is verifiable, but I'm going to assume good faith and wait to see some English sources before deciding. Srose (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Countering Systemic Bias, Wikiproject Echo, and even the reliable sources guideline itself has shown that verifiability does not require English sources, as that creates a strong bias towards English-speaking countries. However, they are preferred over non-English sources. ColourBurst 01:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Merge whatever is verifiable, if anything, into Pescozada, his group, as the information seems a little thin (based on the Spanish language sources and the Wikipedia article itself). --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · contribs · e@} 22:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep on the basis of the Spanish-language material. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 06:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Santos is not an official member of Pescozada, so the article should not be merged. Deleting his article would be like deleting the bibingka article, because even though it is widely recognized throughout Southeast Asia, it is not acknowledged in the U.S. as much. It would also be like deleting the Francisco Tarrega article, because "every interview I found was in Spanish". Look, if you ask me, this is a stupid matter to argue about. Also, if you google search Joaquin Santos, plenty of Hispanic citizens in the U.S. have written about him in myspace profiles, including other rappers you might consider "nonnotable". Furthermore, how come he has his own website in English? Nerdchomper 17:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  13:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Can someone provide evidence, in Spanish or English, that Santos meets any of the WP:MUSIC criteria? For example, has he had a record that charted on the El Salvador music charts, if there are any, or another country? Has he released at least two albums through a major, or significant independent, record company in El Salvador, or another country? If the evidence is in Spanish, I'm sure there would be enough editors on the English Wikipedia who understand Spanish well enough to read it and confirm that he meets the criteria. --Metropolitan90 16:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  14:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete It's up to the editors of the article to prove notability and they haven't done it. Furthermore, even with verifiable sources he'd barely scrape by on WP:MUSIC anyway. --kingboyk 15:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• delete. There may be a little systematic bias, but just because an article about him exists in Spanish does not justify keeping the wiki article if subject himself fails WP:MUS, which he appears to do. Myspace is not a reliable source as it is too prone to spamming. Ohconfucius 23:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for insufficient evidence that he satisfies WP:MUSIC. --Metropolitan90 16:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.