Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Gardner
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was CANCELLED. This debate was created by and is being run by a set of sockpuppets from a prolific master. They are all either blocke or just about to be. -Splash - tk 02:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jim Gardner
Delete Not notable person, just because you are on TV somewhere doesn't mean you are notable! Also merge back with WPVI-TV Personalities as that is where the info came from orignally if you look at edit history! Nigel Wick 18:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Note: this seemed to be part of a bit of an ongoing edit war/attacks involving Morgan Wick (no relation), UncleFloyd, Bwithh, Ngsantia, Capsgm2002, WWACArtistand sockpuppets see deletion arguments for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWAC-TV and Image:James_Goldman_WABC_2005.jpg on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 May 31. Be watchful for sockpuppets! Nigel Wick 18:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Comment What edit war? What attacks? How does it involve this article or WWAC-TV? It's the first time I've heard of it or seen it. The Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWAC-TV afd discussion ended several days ago with a full confession and retraction from the hoaxers (including Ngsantia and WWACArtist and maybe UncleFloyd). Anyway, I don't think Gardner was ever mentioned in that discussion. I'm neutral on whether to keep or delete this article. Gardner does seem to be a real reporter though. Bwithh 19:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Keep. Gardner has been quite well-known throughout southeastern Pennsylvania, Delaware and southern New Jersey for decades. I cleaned up and corrected the information presented by the aforementioned troublesome editors, as well as expanded the biography with the external links. The information now in the article is greater than the summarized stub descriptions at WPVI-TV Personalities. Olessi 18:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Note: He is not widely known, I have never heard of him in Ohio. He is still not notable, but merging the new info back into the WPVI-TV Personalities article would work. Nigel Wick 19:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Keep. Dozens of local news personalities in other cities have articles (Sue Simmons, Jerry Dunphy, Natalie Jacobson, Irv Weinstein). Jim Gardner has the lead anchor for decades at one of the highest-rated major-market stations in the country. If national notability was a requirement for inclusion here, we'd have to delete half the bio articles on Wikipedia. Kirjtc2 21:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep He passes the google test. --South Philly 22:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete and Merge per nomination. Non-notable local tv person. Sue Simmons he is not, as she has been on some national shows, appears to be one of the first African American woman televison news anchors and is on a channel with national and international distribution (according to the WNBC article). Comparing her to yet another white guy anchor who who has just been on local TV is comparing apples and oranges. Jerry Dunphy, Natalie Jacobson, Irv Weinstein (same name as my dentist), et. al along with Jim Gardner and Dave Roberts (reporter) all need to be deleted and merged into pages about their respective stations. They all may be well known in their local area but I have never heard of them, except Jerry Dunphy, but I live in the Southland. If you look at the edit history of WPVI-TV Personalities you will see that the relevant section was edited, and a good chunk of text was transfered in to the "new" article. It should be merged back. FunkyChicken! 23:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. I see nothing wrong with pages of local newscasters in major cities. Jim Gardner is certainly one of the biggest such figures in Philadelphia, which is one of the largest US markets.--Caliga10 23:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete and Merge per nomination. Not notable outside of Philadelpha television viewers. UncleFloyd 23:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete and merge as per above. If anyone wants to know about this not notable person they can see the WPVI-TV Personalities article. Nertz 00:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete and merge Not notable outside of a very limited area. I grew up in New Jersey as did my girlfriend and we never heard of this guy or his TV station. I'll get her to register and vote too. It isn't like this guy is Bill Beutel or anything close. The Matt Feldman Experience! 15:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- He's just as popular in Philly as Bill Beutel was in New York. You could make the exact same case for deleting Bill Beutel as the "delete" voters are proposing here. Kirjtc2 15:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- No you could not make the same argument for Bill Beutel, as Bill Beutel anchored AM America, was an ABC News correspondent where he worked with Peter Jennings, and is partly responsible for the development of the Eyewitness News format. If you are going to make comparisons make accurate ones, as this Jim Gardner never did anything of national stature. The Matt Feldman Experience! 16:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- I would have to agree with The Matt Feldman Experience that Kirjtc2 is making a dubious comparison. It looks as if Bill Beutel has had considerable national and international reporting duties as well as hosting ABC's morning show whilst Jim Gardner seems to be a minor local reporter and newsreader. I would venture a guess that more people know of Beutel than Gardner and those who know Beutel would not just be in a highly localized area. And by the way, Philadelphia will never be on the same par as New York, it is another dubious comparison. It is like comparing a 1973 Buick Skylark to a 2006 Bentley. FunkyChicken! 21:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Are you all the same person? This reminds me of User:Spotteddogsdotorg who used sockpuppets to get his way with his pro-NYC anti-Philly news bias in afd last year. There was a page set up here about his actions. I have this feeling that this is all the same person, and quite possibly the user I brought up. ErikNY 05:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- No we are all clones. *Joke* Seriously, this whole Wikipedia thing I thought was supposed to be fun, but apparently if someone agrees with me they are a sockpuppet and I am some sort of puppetmaster? Sounds more like there are Joseph McCarthy clones running about seeing sockpuppets under every rock. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you should attack and accuse just to keep people out of your cabal. I think I may quit Wikipedia if this is the level of debate seems to be tar all those you disagree with as sockpuppets if they don't agree with you. Very mature! The Matt Feldman Experience! 17:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Let's see. You have a message on your page saying you want to quit. I received a message from FunkyChicken! saying he quit. TVXPert, who voted, said he quit on his userpage. Coincidence? ErikNY 18:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am sorry for the confusion caused when making my attacks on User:Spotteddogsdotorg which I was, but the person with that website was insulting me on tvnewstalk.net because he would not give me a WCAU tape and got me banned more than once. Then I remembered the Wikipedia as a way to get revenge on him by taking things from his website and putting them on to look like he did it but I Scott Brown did do it to make a mockery of him. I am not going to kill myself because I want to relive the time that WCAU was CBS, boy those were the days! I am not crazy and going to kill myself and do not need help. I don't like Jim Gardner and his story should be deleted. I now have a sattilte dish and can't watch Philladelphia, but get WCBS and WNYW and WCBS has The People's Court which is the best show on the televison today. Not as good as when WCAU was CBS, but good still. I hope that my destroying of the good name of the person was mean enough to get them in trouble with all of you and didn't mean any problems with the Wikipedia with making revenge on people who do not give me the tapes that they promised. Thank you, Scott Brown. MrPhillyTV 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Nobody's buying the 'Scott Brown' story. 70.108.82.120 18:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- I got into his account because he is one who has a password which is password and I know that is stupid and you can try it too by using login as FunkyChicken and password as password! Stupid moron has made his password password and does not expect people to try to fake being him? That is just being a stupid moron. And I was making it look like I was not alone in my love for WCAU and the People's COurt. He said he was going to leave and I make the account an active one, but this time for Scott Brown and will make all sorts of delting votes for things I do not like, like WPVI which was not as good as WCAU when it was CBS and I can't get either on my sattilite and that is a shame. I, Scott Brown and am sorry and will not kill myself and try to be a better user from now on and not lie or use other users who are stupid enough to use password as their password then quit the great wikipedia and will not use wikipedia as a revenge on people who do not give me my WCAU tapes that they say they were going to give me but do not give. THat is mean and they need to be given ppunishment of being blacklisted on the wikipedia and accused of bad things. I am sorry for not properly making wikipedia editing but I have been feeling bad ever since my mother left and I miss those good days since then WCAU was CBS and I did not have to watch WCBS as CBS on my sattilite. No I am not going to kill myself as the tvnewstalk.net people have made fun of me for and now the radio-info.com people are making fun of me too. This is wrong and I am sorry but they can't be mean to Scott Brown and mock my love for WCAU as CBS. I am sorry if I hurt anyone and if you could fix or delete any wrong things or passwords I would be happy and will not bother you again and maybe later I can make better editings to the wikipeida, but please delete the Jim Gardner article as he was never on WCAU when it was CBS. Thank you and I hope to be a better person when it comes to making wikipedia changes. Please accept my appology. Scott Brown MrPhillyTV 22:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- Stop being ridiculous, Jason. 70.108.126.68 14:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- I got into his account because he is one who has a password which is password and I know that is stupid and you can try it too by using login as FunkyChicken and password as password! Stupid moron has made his password password and does not expect people to try to fake being him? That is just being a stupid moron. And I was making it look like I was not alone in my love for WCAU and the People's COurt. He said he was going to leave and I make the account an active one, but this time for Scott Brown and will make all sorts of delting votes for things I do not like, like WPVI which was not as good as WCAU when it was CBS and I can't get either on my sattilite and that is a shame. I, Scott Brown and am sorry and will not kill myself and try to be a better user from now on and not lie or use other users who are stupid enough to use password as their password then quit the great wikipedia and will not use wikipedia as a revenge on people who do not give me my WCAU tapes that they say they were going to give me but do not give. THat is mean and they need to be given ppunishment of being blacklisted on the wikipedia and accused of bad things. I am sorry for not properly making wikipedia editing but I have been feeling bad ever since my mother left and I miss those good days since then WCAU was CBS and I did not have to watch WCBS as CBS on my sattilite. No I am not going to kill myself as the tvnewstalk.net people have made fun of me for and now the radio-info.com people are making fun of me too. This is wrong and I am sorry but they can't be mean to Scott Brown and mock my love for WCAU as CBS. I am sorry if I hurt anyone and if you could fix or delete any wrong things or passwords I would be happy and will not bother you again and maybe later I can make better editings to the wikipeida, but please delete the Jim Gardner article as he was never on WCAU when it was CBS. Thank you and I hope to be a better person when it comes to making wikipedia changes. Please accept my appology. Scott Brown MrPhillyTV 22:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- Nobody's buying the 'Scott Brown' story. 70.108.82.120 18:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am sorry for the confusion caused when making my attacks on User:Spotteddogsdotorg which I was, but the person with that website was insulting me on tvnewstalk.net because he would not give me a WCAU tape and got me banned more than once. Then I remembered the Wikipedia as a way to get revenge on him by taking things from his website and putting them on to look like he did it but I Scott Brown did do it to make a mockery of him. I am not going to kill myself because I want to relive the time that WCAU was CBS, boy those were the days! I am not crazy and going to kill myself and do not need help. I don't like Jim Gardner and his story should be deleted. I now have a sattilte dish and can't watch Philladelphia, but get WCBS and WNYW and WCBS has The People's Court which is the best show on the televison today. Not as good as when WCAU was CBS, but good still. I hope that my destroying of the good name of the person was mean enough to get them in trouble with all of you and didn't mean any problems with the Wikipedia with making revenge on people who do not give me the tapes that they promised. Thank you, Scott Brown. MrPhillyTV 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Let's see. You have a message on your page saying you want to quit. I received a message from FunkyChicken! saying he quit. TVXPert, who voted, said he quit on his userpage. Coincidence? ErikNY 18:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I would have to agree with The Matt Feldman Experience that Kirjtc2 is making a dubious comparison. It looks as if Bill Beutel has had considerable national and international reporting duties as well as hosting ABC's morning show whilst Jim Gardner seems to be a minor local reporter and newsreader. I would venture a guess that more people know of Beutel than Gardner and those who know Beutel would not just be in a highly localized area. And by the way, Philadelphia will never be on the same par as New York, it is another dubious comparison. It is like comparing a 1973 Buick Skylark to a 2006 Bentley. FunkyChicken! 21:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- No you could not make the same argument for Bill Beutel, as Bill Beutel anchored AM America, was an ABC News correspondent where he worked with Peter Jennings, and is partly responsible for the development of the Eyewitness News format. If you are going to make comparisons make accurate ones, as this Jim Gardner never did anything of national stature. The Matt Feldman Experience! 16:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly merge back, but do not delete the redirect which contains the page history of Olessi's cleanup. "Delete and merge" makes no sense. Kusma (討論) 22:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Merge and Delete not notable minor market TV cruft not worthy of his own page. TVXPert 03:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable. ShigeruNomi 06:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Kramden4700, a user with 10 contributions (all of them about various Philly news personalities and made on June 9), has replaced the entire content of the page with a link to WPVI-TV Personalities (not even a real redirect), where the content of the former article has been moved. This comes across to me as WP:POINT disruption while the AFD is still ongoing. It may be a possible sockpuppet of the above delete voters, all but one of whom apparently seem to be linked. Kirjtc2 21:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- Reverted. I was going to vote speedy delete until I read this comment. Morgan Wick 05:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
