Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Hassum
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was DELETE. The raw total was 11-3 Delete, with two of the Keeps being Weak. Aside fro Carrottop, nobody much think this article should exist. And Carrottop's arguments, while vociferous, are not strong. Herostratus 02:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jennifer Hassum
Disputed speedy deletion candidate; contains borderline assertions of notability. Listing here for discussion. No vote. Chick Bowen 02:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- delete - pernom. no sources, no article. --wtfunkymonkey 02:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- delete Just don't see notability here. Dipics 02:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - First of all I would just like to make clear that I am not Jennifer Hassum nor do I have a personal relationship with her, so this is not a vanity article. I created this article to connect two other articles in which she is mentioned and to provide extra infomation about her to readers of those articles. Jen is notable in both Canadian and toronto-area politics and I wrote a extensive rationale as to why I feel this way, which can be found on the discussion page of the article in question. As far as the issue of sources, I would be happy to add sources and expand the content if the article is allowed to remain. --Carrottop 79 02:36, 16 November 2006
- You typically have 5 days to improve an AfD. wtfunkymonkey 02:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Weak keep, both Toronto and Canada! Sometimes articles like this come up for politicians that are just notable to make it and this is one, I don't think it's deletable yet but if she falls from the public eye we can delete it then, conversely if she becomes prime minister of Canada we can flesh it out. •Elomis• 02:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - I have added some sources for you guys (and any gals), any more input in that regard would be helpful. As far as the notablity, as I mentioned in the discussion page, Jen is currently the president of Canada's largest student union with forty-one thousand members, at one of Canada's top universities and she is the youth wing co-chair of one of Canada's major political parties (and will be for about 2 more years) which at last count had support of 22% of Canadians and in the last election received over two and a half million votes. --Carrottop 79 03:14, 16 November 2006
- Weak Keep sourced article with some what established notability. Simpleerob 05:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The subject is not notable. She may have lobbied for a cause, and have supplied quotes, but she has not been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person. Ohconfucius
- Delete per Ohconfucius. We don't have articles about this person's counterparts in the USA, that is, the presidents of the Young Democrats of America or the Young Republicans, nor do I believe that we need them. Being an official of a political party organization does not necessarily mean that a person is of sufficient interest to the general public as to warrant an encyclopedia article. --Metropolitan90 07:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete This woman: 1) was/is active in party politics 2) demonstrated against the Iraq War 3) serves in student government. None of these activities, each a quintessential activity of college students, provides a basis for notability. Allon Fambrizzi 08:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi
- Weak delete She may be the head of the largest student union in Canada - but I would not, for example, consider the student body president at the University of Texas (which has, like, what - a gazillion students?) notable. The rest of it doesn't really add up to notability for me, either - the mention of media coverage helps, but doesn't put it over the top, so I'm a weakish delete.--TheOtherBob 17:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, nn bio. Tempshill 18:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete These student activities are admirable. But the best objective test of notability is independent published sources, per the great discussion in User:Uncle G/On notability. This page fails the test.Obina 20:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment It was mentioned that the an official with the Young Democrats or Republicans wouldn't deserve an article but Lauren Wolfe president of the College Democrats of America has an article about her and her role with that organization as do other party officials in gerenal. To suggest that an official of one credible political party of worthy of an article mention and one of another credible party is not, is extremely partisan and if I am not mistaken Wikipedia is not a partisan body user Carrottop 79 14:55 16 November
- True - but in fairness it looks from the discussion page of that article that it was marked for speedy deletion at one point, and for some reason just slipped through. So maybe it should also be deleted.--TheOtherBob 21:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I totally agree with Carrottop on this one. So I have opened an afd entry on Lauren Wolfe. Dipics 22:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment The president of the Young Liberals (Australia) Mark Powell (Australian politician) also has an article as does the previous president Alex Hawke. Ruth Cameron with the Scottish Young Greens has a page.Anna Sjödin chairperson of the Swedish Social Democratic Youth Leaguealso has a page, which also includes notable information about a “Drunken Bar Fight”. Ella Bohlin chairperson of the Christian Democratic Youth League, Johan Foressel chairperson of the Moderate Youth League and Tove Fraurud former president of the Young Left (Sweden) in that same nation all have articles as well.Back in the US, Paul Gourley chairman of the College Republican National Committee has a page, as does Michael Davidson who ran against him and was chairperson of the California college republicans and previous CRNC chairperson Eric Hoplin
I set out to find ten other examples of existing biographies for youth wing presidents (chairs, co-chairs or directors) of various political parties, if anyone wants more I would be happy to spend more time researching for more, however I feel I have made my point and have demonstrated that there is precedent for articles of this type on even less noteworthy subjects. If you want to go on a delete frenzy, I also saw a great deal of party official in other party wings with articles Carrottop 79 23:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment FYI two of these has been considered for deletion, with result no concesus in both cases and three others are supported by the Wikipedia Politics and government work group Carrottop 79 23:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- If you want to keep looking for them, please do. This is a good start for preparing AfD's for non-notable bios. Your point -- that the encyclopedia sometimes accumulates articles that really should be deleted -- is well-taken. But I think you're wanting to go the next step and say "and so we shouldn't delete any particular one of these articles." Nah - we should delete them all (assuming they really are all non-notable, which should be decided individually.) What you are showing is that we need to be more active in deleting articles about people who are not notable. What you need to show is that this one particular artice is about someone who is notable, and therefore shouldn't be deleted.--TheOtherBob 00:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Delete - Student Council president is not a claim to notability, "continuing to be politically active" certainly isn't either. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 23:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. NN. WMMartin 17:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
