Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Thierry Boisseau

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Jean-Thierry Boisseau, and no consensus on Paul Wehage. Luna Santin 21:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jean-Thierry Boisseau and Paul Wehage

User:Jean-Thierry Boisseau freely admits to being part of User:Musikfabrik with Paul Wehage. Musikfabrik's edits, as far as I can tell, include pretty much every single fact and statement made about him in this article: The rest were cleanup. Self-promotion of a non-notable (1500 GHits) composer? Adam Cuerden talk 21:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Paul Wehage seems somewhat more notable, but, again, was written largely by Musikfabrik. Adam Cuerden talk 21:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Having looked over the Musik Fabrik website it's a little difficult to tell whether it's a label as such or simply a group of friends doing mutual vanity-publishing and selling the results online. Dybryd 00:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep Wehage: delete Boisseau. Vanity, but Wehage marginally passes notability. Moreschi 11:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Probably Keep Wehage: delete Boisseau. "Paul Wehage" turns up a few hits at the various Amazons for a couple of discs, so he is a recorded composer. "Jean-Thierry Boisseau" only turns up one item at Amazon France, namely the book Histoires de la musique (used as a reference for many of the Musik Fabrik articles on Wikipedia). Its sales rank is currently zero, so nobody has actually bought a copy (from Amazon at least). --Folantin 12:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Query: Is that him as a saxophonist or him as a composer turning up? Adam Cuerden talk 15:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
It's hard to tell. There's a possibility he composed some of the pieces on the "Saxofolies" CD (currently unavailable) but I couldn't say for sure from the info Amazon.com gives. --Folantin 16:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Boisseau. A vanity piece and clearly non-notalbe. Neutral on Wehage. This is also clearly a vanity piece, but he may be notable. It's tough to say, as he may really be an arranger rather than a composer. -- Ssilvers 19:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete both. +"Jean-Thierry Boisseau" googles 924 hits, none of which on quick examination has convinced me of his notabiliy per WP:MUSIC. +"Paul Wehage" googles fewer hits (670), none of them convincing me of his notability per WP:MUSIC. My opinion, anyway. I wish them all the best, and hope that others will write articles about them when they become notable in due course. --RobertG ♬ talk 20:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete both. Both are autobiography, contributions of a banned user, Wehage has one entry in AMG (Saxofolies), Boisseau has none, I see no compelling evidence that either meets the inclusion guideline for musicians. Guy 10:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - notable composer, even mentioned on other language Wikipedia's - see [1]
Note: The above unsigned comment is from Madder. Adam Cuerden talk 16:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment:Yes, and no doubt a substantial part of that French entry was contributed by User:Musikfabrik (i.e. Messrs. Boisseau, Wehage et al.). Look at the edit history. They have a French Wikipedia account too. The whole point is we don't know how much info on the Web about Boisseau, Wehage & Co. was put there by themselves and how much is from neutral third-party sources. So it's not a very good indicator of notability. --Folantin 10:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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