Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamal Morelli

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. --Fang Aili ^說嗎? 00:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jamal Morelli

Despite its relative length, this is clearly a vanity article about an obscure individual. Please note that his main claim to fame is a short student film. The rest of the information, such as about his political activism or interest in learning Moroccan Arabic, is utterly irrelevant and unnoteworthy. There were also inappropriate mentions of this individual in other articles, such as a bizarre in suggestion in Cuckold that unfaithful women shout "Jam! All! More!" while having sex with their husbands as a way to evoke Jamal Morelli, the real object of their desire; another example is this mention under Fes: "the Ville Nouvelle is a bustling commercial center with a popular American Language Center and filmmaker Jamal Morelli's studio." Finally, every result on Google seems to be either a Wikipedia article on which his name (inappropriately) appears, or from sites such as answers.com that reflect Wikipedia's content.Wfgiuliano 22:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete My opinion has been made clear.Wfgiuliano 23:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Seems to be standard (albeit well-written) vanity. _-M ^o P-_ 23:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom as vanity / bollocks. --Lockley 23:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: Not notable; vanity or publicity. Bill 20:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

DO NOT DELETE - and please stop deleting everything on Jamal Morelli which I and others have created. I tried to get rid of horrible things like the JAM ALL MORE; people have tried and then it is put back on. Jamal Morelli deserves to be included as a man of note for his contributions to art, peace, Moroccan/American exchanges. The assessment of his life work is strange. Interest in Moroccan Arabic? He brought it to the racist South during a time people were being arrested for that. Jamal Morelli is known as the first male Muslim artist to work with 20,000 people strong Fellowship of Isis. He worked with recording star Myshkin. And "Secrets of the Sisterhood" was not a student film. I feel hurt that so much work is just scrapped in an instant.

And as far as an interest in Moroccan Arabic being in some way subversive or novel in the late 20c! my whole (American) family took courses in it in 1963‑65.... Bill 20:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Please do not delete: Who said it was subversive? Where does it say he was interested in it? Jamal Morelli was the first to bring Moroccan Arabic to New Orleans - this is, and was, a great achievement. Why is Nadia's work (and ours) being completely wiped out by Wfgiuliano? Our artists are not represented at all. And Bill, at the ALC in Fes, they still use the only Dictionary of Moroccan Arabic from Georgetown University - 1960-1965! We are excited at someone taking our culture abroad at a time of incredible hate between cultures. I am sorry the cafe is not letting me to log in. But I will try somewhere else. Please, be considerate of the fact we have to pay to contribute each time. Thank you for patience and forgive errors, Khalid Idrissi.

Oh, boy! This started as a simple good deed: getting a particularly obnoxious vanity page deleted from our beloved Wikipedia. Now it has turned into a crazy (albeit somewhat amusing) cultural battle.

>Interest in Moroccan Arabic? He brought it to the racist South during a time people were being >arrested for that.

That is such sheer lunacy that it's actually funny! It's really one of the most preposterous statements I have ever read. I wonder if Mr. Morelli has been telling his Moroccan friends that he risked his liberty, life, and limb in order to heroically bring the forbidden language, Moroccan Arabic, to the benighted American South? I think Jamal Morelli must really be a character, if not he surely suffers from paranoid delusions.

>We are not equipped here in Morocco with endless amounts of time in cybercafes (no, we don't have
>as many computers at our homes as you do)
>Please, be considerate of the fact we have to pay to contribute each time.

Uh, no, we won't be considerate of that, or at least we shouldn't. Such statements are logical fallacies (appeals to pity). What everyone should do instead is to consider your arguments on their intrinsic merit, or lack thereof.Wfgiuliano 05:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

we will not be able to compete with you, mister wfgiuliano. you are quite violent. and if the most preposterous statement you have ever read is that during the years of 2002 on people were be arrested for arabic sympathies, with respect to you, sir, read more.

For the information of the anonymous individual: the current American governmment, for which I have little sympathy, is actually promoting the study of Arabic in this country in order to have Americans who can help them wage further wars of aggression. Therefore, "bringing Moroccan Arabic" to the US could not possibly land anyone in sunny Guantánamo since it coincides with government policy. And since you seem to have a very poor understanding of the US, let me explain something else to you: the reason why courses in Moroccan Arabic are rare in the US is not because teaching it is unlawful or frowned upon; it is simply because too few people are interested in it. The many Americans currently learning Arabic are usually sensible enough to study modern standard Arabic rather than dialectal forms of the language, which would make about as much sense as someone from China learning Gullah or Hiberno-English. Wfgiuliano 17:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.