Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israeli Arab transference from Israel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  16:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli Arab transference from Israel

This article is a POV fork of several articles: Israeli Arabs, Population_transfer#Middle_East and Avigdor Liberman Zeq 12:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

also to be considered for deletion is this redirect : Israeli-Arab_eviction.

A quick look at the many (too many) sources listed will show that the author of the article completly misrepresent the truth about Liberman's ideas. (just see the talk page of the article itself for more details) Zeq 12:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tally

After 5 days, out of 20 votes we have 4 that voted to keep. Zeq 04:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] votes

• Delete or merge with some Israeli politics article. --BWD ^(talk) 13:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as the article is a pure anti-Liberman POV push (by a user who admitted he has only found out who Liberman was this week), and a fork, and I'm not willing to work too much on it, although in principle I think it could become a decent article if the approach was changed. For instance, a clear lead section needs to be made, and the article should focus on the 1950s discussions (might be hard to source), and the paragraph about Liberman should be removed entirely. He isn't the only politician, and not the most notable, who has, at some point in his political career, remarked that he doesn't want Israeli Arabs in Israel. -- Y Ynhockey ^(Talk) Y 14:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• There is also a Liberman article that it could be merged into. Zeq 15:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I don't see any problem with the article i.e. it's very CORRECT and exact, backed up by strong evidence, and given the fact that 95% of Israel's Russian immigrant declare him as their idol and savior, it may not be fair to sweep those evidence under the rug. Zadil 15:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — This is an article about supposed public opinion in Isreal that is not official government policy. Toss this on the steaming pile of anti-israeli propaganda. — RJH 16:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Well-sourced original research propaganda, POV fork. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Please review statements in article and their well-sourced citations. This is not OR.Lokiloki 18:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per Jayjg and others. Zeq 18:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Note: Vote is by nominator; please don't count user double. -- Dissident (Talk) 23:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to Avigdor Liberman and cleanup from there, if needed. This is about his (supposed) politics, yes? Sandstein 18:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. POV fork, and "transference" is what happens when you fall in love with your psychotherapist. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. per Lokiloki, but should be expanded to include earlier discussion about transfer, i.e. all post-1948. Huldra 19:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Huldra, I am dispaointed from your vote. But maybe it is not your fault. More than anything, this article show how an editor can take a source like "Haaretz" (which has comntators from all sides of the Israeli political map) and use what is essetialy an election time propeganda (of those who wanted to smear Liberman) and use it as "sources" for Wikipedia article.

From the record I presonaly think that Liberman has some views that are facist but that is no excuse to falsify the article about his views. Zeq 19:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A very quick note: actually, Zeq; my interest is not mainly in Liberman (which I tried to indicate above). But I see the subject pop up again and again through history (post 1948) due to demographics, read e.g. Tom Segev, Binational solution(The Friedlander-Goldscheider study). Huldra 19:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC) PS: have you read Segevs latest book?

Huldra, The issue is not that "it pops" but "what pops" and "by whom". There was a party in Israel that proposed tarnsfer, It was Kahane party that was outlawed. If Liberman would propose that he will not be able to run. It is aginst the law in israel to propose that. So what ever you think "poped" it is not the same thing as what this article suggests.

Liberman suggests exchange of land for land, same as the Geneva peace plan. Zeq 19:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If that is the case, why does even The Times note: "[Liberman]] plans to strengthen Israel’s status as a Jewish state by transferring 500,000 of its minority Arab population to the West Bank, by the simple expedient of redrawing the West Bank to include several Arab Israeli towns in northern Israel. Another 500,000 would be stripped of their right to vote if they failed to pledge loyalty to Zionism." [1]

I am not trying to defend Liberman's idea's I am trying to make sure we have accurate articles that are not a POV fork. Even the London times (which is not 100% accurate) talks about redrawing of borders - so why do'nt you delete this article now ? Zeq 04:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. as per all of above. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The idea of expelling Arabs is widely notable, as references of it can be easily found using Google.[2][3] -- Dissident (Talk) 23:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 00:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom and Jayjg. Pecher ^Talk 10:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC) angemessen
• Delete or de-POV, merging eventual remains with appropriate article on Israeli politics. --tickle me 13:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV fork, content covered elsewhere. -- Heptor _talk 13:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Zeg. Bill Levinson
• Merge Any sourced information about expulsion or expulsion concerns can be merged to Israeli-Palestinian conflict or Avigdor Liberman.--AladdinSE 19:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per RJH. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 07:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per many above: 1)pure POV fork; 2)"transference" misused in title 3)content could be merged to other articles. elizmr 23:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or merge with appropriate articles on Israeli or Middle-Eastern politics. CommonGround 16:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.