Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Academy of Science

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 23:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] International Academy of Science

International Academy of Science (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

No independent sources and no claims of notability. Vague description of what it is does not directly assert is goals or importance. Arbusto 23:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and improve. Look at the list of founding members. Anything founded by them and chaired until the end of his life by Linus Pauling is clearly notable. --Bduke 00:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Unaccredited school [1]. No verifiable evidence that pauling had anything to do with it (according to the IAS's homepage it was founded by Roger Billings in 1985, so Pauling could not have founded it in 1980). Has a snazzy name, though. --Charlene 01:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment This vote should be reconsidered, as it is clearly not related to a school, a subject that several individuals seem to confuse, including the nominator. If this vote is not recast based on the fact that it is an organization, it should be ignored by the closing administrator. Alansohn 10:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

*Delete per Charlene and nom. JoshuaZ 05:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Changing to keep per new info presuming that the claims can be sourced. JoshuaZ 01:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above, advertising. Sandstein 06:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)Keep after the confusion with the school has been cleaned up. Sandstein 05:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Khoikhoi 06:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no assertion of notability. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 06:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Take a look at History of IAS. I think you are confusing two quite different things - an unaccredited school and an International Professional Society. That link is off the one on this article and it is presumably where the author of the article (not me) got the information about Pauling. Or are you all saying this web site is a fraud? --Bduke 07:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • To clarify further. The school web site is here. It is mentioned above but not given. It is even more confusing. There is also International Academy of Sciences. Note the plural "Sciences". And then there is World Academy of Science. We are discussing [2]. --Bduke 22:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment If so, we should probably have an article about the legitimate IAS here with a one-line note about the school. JoshuaZ 07:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a notable NGO, with numerous Nobel laureates as members. It's a big deal. The problem here is the confusion between the NGO and the small unaccredited school in Missouri. COGDEN 09:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per COGDEN, to delete this would be a mistake. Silensor 23:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment It needs cleaned up and sourced to be kept. Arbusto 01:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I'm deeply uneasy about this one. There seem to be a lot of these obscure institutions claiming large numbers of Nobel laureates as members, and all claiming to be terribly important and prestigious, but curiously they run out of PO boxes in places like Eichstaett or Huddersfield. Looks to me more like self-aggrandisement than anything else. Weak delete, though I could be persuaded otherwise. WMMartin 14:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

This organization is not one of them. This is one of those organizations that Nobel laureates put on their resume. See, for example, [3], [4], and [5]. The problem is, the Missouri organization has not actively discouraged people from confusing the two organizations. See this site from the Missouri organization, which has a big seal and a picture of Neils Bohr, and says "Current Membership: 11". O 06:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep A notable international organization. The fact that it was founded by Linus Pauling, John Kendrew, Alexander Todd, Andrei Sakharov, Konrad Lorenz and Ilya Prigogine, would have to be one of the clearest and most concise claims of notability possible. A Thursday night poker game founded by this group would probably be notable. Cleanup to explain that the other organizations are NOT affiliated with this one, would go a long way to clearing up confusion for potential readers of this article and for this who have voted to delete based on an incorrect understanding of what this organization is. Alansohn 05:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Please provide WP:RS. Arbusto 22:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I am almost certain we already deleted this once under another title. I seem to recall that the claims are all down to letters form the illustrious supporting the idea (but not actually doing or promising anything), and the balance turned out to be unverifiable. Guy 00:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I recall something too, but I recall it being an article on the unaccredited school. However I can not find it. --Bduke 00:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

That's correct. There was an article about the Missouri organization, now deleted. COGDEN 06:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

For reference: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Academy of Science (Independence, Missouri). Arbusto 07:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The IAS is certainly notable, and it looks like the school confusion has been cleaned up in the article. ~ BigrTex 01:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually no major edits have been made since I opened this afd. Arbusto 07:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Considering that Arbusto/oo created the original AfD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Academy of Science (Independence, Missouri), the fact that he still believes this article to be for a school is baffling. IT'S NOT A SCHOOL! It's an organization that was founded by several world-renowned scientists, including the odd Nobel Prize-winner or two, and BigrTex is trying to point out that you either seem to be terribly confused or just plain vindictive that an organization with a similar name exists to an article you had earlier deleted. Stating in your excuse for nomination that it makes "no claims of notability" and "does not directly assert is goals or importance" is directly contradicted by the simplest reading of the text of the article. This nomination should be withdrawn. Alansohn 07:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

1) Where did I call this a school? 2) Your bad behavior and attacks of various people is a violation of WP:CIVIL. --Arbusto 07:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Virtually every delete vote seems to believe that this is an article for a school, the usual and customary target of your attacks. You have never clarified this to any of those who have blindly followed your nomination, and your confirmation that you had deleted a school with the same name never mentions that THIS IS NOT A SCHOOL, IT'S A SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION. The individuals who switched their votes did so upon realizing that this AfD is not for a school. While I cannot assume in this case that you are operating in bad faith, the fact that you have never clarified the nature of this AfD leaves this nomination and your motives in question. Alansohn 10:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't admit you were wrong. Your recent comments to new users and myself are out of line. If you can't follow WP:CIVIL then don't edit wikipedia. Arbusto 20:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Arbustoo, you have stood idly by allowing others to be misled into voting to delete an article on the assumption that it's a school. When are you finally going to clean up this mess and clarify that this is an article for an organization and not a school? This whole AfD is starting to appear deliberately fraudulent and just a casual mistake. Alansohn 21:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I starting to see a trend. Helical Rift 21:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.