Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Independent Music Online

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was Speedy Delete. abakharev 05:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Independent Music Online

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No assertion of notability. Article has been entirely created and managed by Phefner (talk • contribs) (who is Patrick Hefner, President/Founder of Independent Music Online, the article's subject) and Knightmb (talk • contribs), whose sole edits have been to this article and to other articles to include links to this one and to the website itself. Article is entirely being used to promote the website in question, and violates WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:OR, WP:CORP, and WP:AB. Meets speedy deletion criteria. -- ChrisB 02:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment: A Google search to gauge notability is cumbersome, given the non-unique nature of the company's name. However, limiting to searches unique to the site itself:

• "Independent Music Online" and "Vorbis" (the site's primary format) = 89 hits
• "Independent Music Online" and "Tennessee" (the company's location) = 142 hits
• "Independent Music Online" and "myspace" (mentioned on the website) = 169 hits

-- ChrisB 03:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Articles of notability have been included in the References section to this article as per Wikipedia's guidelines. This article is not an autobiography of Patrick Hefner, although I (Patrick) am the primary author, although others have contributed to the editing of this article as well. Vorbis is not the primary format of the site in question. This article is NOT being used to promote the site in question. If that were the case then there would be external links pointing to it. We've taken strides to make sure that as many links as possible, point to other Wikipedia articles, and not to the website in question. This article does not meet all the criteria for speedy deletion.

Allow time for others to contribute to this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phefner (talk • contribs) 03:42, 11 July 2006.

Response: Not to beat this to death, but the assertion that others have contributed is essentially false, demonstrated by the article's history. Apart from Phefner and Knightmb, all other non-cursory edits to the article were made by IP addresses that resolve to Nashville (the company's location) and whose contributions consisted almost entirely of edits to this article or to other articles related to this one. (Don't use the ARIN links to verify the IP addresses' location - do a traceroute and you'll see that they actually resolve to Nashville.)

• 66.43.131.114 = Speakeasy DSL BNA (BNA = airport code for Nashville)
• 69.17.124.186 = Speakeasy DSL BNA
• 66.43.131.114 = Frost-Arnett.com, located in Nashville
• 12.107.242.5 = DCCUsa.com, located in Franklin, Tennessee

All other edits were simply to make a word adjustment or to add a deletion template. -- ChrisB 04:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Both of you are missing the point, doesn't matter how many "google hits" it has, it's well known for what it does and anything looking for information on it be it history or what they are doing now, wikipedia has the info for them. I'm sure there are enough violations to remove 99% of the articles on wikipedia but all I'm saying is if you want to delete this one, then delete the other dozen articles that are similar to it which you think is nothing more than a promotion or advertising. Start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_music_stores#Online_Music_Store_Comparison_table and rid wikiepedia all of those violating articles like itunes, allofmp3.com, etc. Last I saw allofmp3.com has a wikipedia article and no one is really sure if that's even a legal business to begin with. My vote is in to keep it here since you have all those others, if you want to remove this one, then set and example and remove all the other advertisers as well please. - susan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.238.243.83 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 11 July 2006.

Response:Please note that the above user's contributions include adding links into other articles to the website in question. Possible sockpuppet. -- ChrisB 04:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

You think that a company located in Nashville would have support from surrounding Nashville people? Like duh? I say leave it in, they have my vote, rock on you guys, dont let the man get you down. Hey ChrisB are you that guy from the UK that has all those iTunes links to stories? I saw you in google, geez, that doesn't look suspcious huh? Maybe it was so quiet until you stried up the hornets nest and now all the supporters are coming out for them. Doris—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.17.124.125 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 11 Jul 2006 (UTC)

Please abide by the No personal attacks and be civil to others policies. —TheJC (Talk • Contribs • Count) 04:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete per nom. The only reference in the References section that works goes to a university newspaper, therefore as well as the policies/guidelines already stated, it also fails inclusion criteria per WP:WEB. —TheJC (Talk • Contribs • Count) 04:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete per nom, although if this can somehow be speedied, I wouldn't mind. Fails lots of policies and guidelines (WP:V, WP:CORP, WP:MUSIC...). --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 05:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Look, go ahead and delete the article. This has gotten way out of hand. Phefner 05:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

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