Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hip hop references

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete, per WP NOT - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Madchester 07:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hip hop references

Essentially a catalog of selected allusions from hip hop music lyrics. Unencyclopedic, although Wikiquote "might could do somthin'" with this. FuriousFreddy 03:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Rap songs drop names of things all the time just to make a rhyme. "Cruisin wid my homies took a right on Minkler, we're all lookin cooler than Henry Winkler." Why document this? Ruby 03:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - A discussion of the phenomenon of hip hop "referencing" deserves inclusion (perhaps with some notable examples), but this discussion belongs in Rapping and/or related articles. This article is pure listcruft. Dbtfz (talk - contribs) 04:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No encyclopedic value whatsoever. PJM 04:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - it's an interesting topic that wouldn't really be covered anywhere else - who says it needs to be comprehensive to be encyclopedic? HasNoClue 06:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Infinitely expandable and completely pointless. What do this references represent? How can anyone be sure they are representative of the balance of opinion among hip hip artists? A bad example of factoids (or should that be quotoids) being passed of as an article. Bhoeble 09:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Bhoeble, Ruby, et al. KillerChihuahua^?!? 12:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Bhoeble. Sliggy 12:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete a noble effort but fatally flawed per WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information - there is no practical limit to how big this list could be. The Sierra Leone references are poignant, but in the end hip-hop is simply documenting popular culture, so this adds nothing to what's already known except the subjective filter of a musical genre and the fans who choose to update this page. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 17:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I created this entry, and I believe it's worth keeping. Referencing is an important part of hip hop, but interestingly, not all hip hop artists do so. I believe this list could be large, but not infinitely so. (compare to the List of neologisms on The Simpsons, which is huge and (in my opinion) of virtually no use) In the past I've wanted to research how different artists reference the criminal justice system, and how (mostly) black artists reference white popular culture (movies, books, etc.) This is the best place to collect that information. -Danspalding 20:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. I agree that this list as is seems a bit random in its current state, however, I do not agree that it is useless, nor that hip hop is simply documenting popular culture. I think Danspalding (or someone) should expand the article to explain the popular culture phenomenon of hip hop references and the relevance, with context. Bubamara 21:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.