Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herminio Bautista

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 07:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Herminio Bautista

Unverifiable three line stub about a 'minor actor'. The only Heminio Bautista I can find is the president of a university in Batangas; there is no proof that these are the same people. The actor has no IMDB page. Was prodded originally, but tag removed (rightly, as article asserts notability, despite no way of verifying information). Fails WP:V, ergo, delete Proto||type 17:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete due to non-verifiability. Ned Wilbury 17:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not verifiable. -- Krash (Talk) 17:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails IMDB & Google tests (about 100 hits for multiple persons with that name, including one for an apparent Filipino director). NN and/or unverifiable. Slowmover 17:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, changing my vote to keep but only if Herminio is really "Arsenio", and some explanation of why the name is different. Slowmover 17:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Keep. Why does almost every article about non-English-vernacular popular culture get tagged for deletion by blinder-wearing editors who check only English-language-based resources? Monicasdude 22:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
      • It's a systemic problem because of who the majority of editors are on the English wiki. We can't really apologize for that. We're doing the best we can, and the number of hoaxes that show up here daily force quick decisions to be made. If sources were routinely cited, this problem would be significantly smaller.Slowmover 23:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
        • It's because they are frequently unverifiable. There is no record of a Herminio Bautista. Arsenio Bautista, who is verifiable, is not verifiably the same person. This is nothing to do with systemic bias. Proto||type 13:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nomination. The unverifiability also underlines lack of notability.— TheKMan^talk 17:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Butch Bautista has been a figure in Filipino film since the 1950s. One of the stars of the Lo Waist gang series. His IMDB page can be seen here [1]. I would also be fascinated to know on what basis the nom has determined that this is a "minor actor", particularly since he has failed to verify his existence. -- JJay 17:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per new information. Looks like this article should be moved to Arsenio Bautista. — TheKMan^talk 17:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Agreed. I found "Arsenio" previously, but who is "Herminio". Also think this page might be better placed on a different language Wiki than English. Slowmover 17:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• You can't seriously be suggesting that we not have articles on people who achieved something in the non-english speaking world? That seems quite biased to me. There is more out there than US/UK/Australia. -- JJay 18:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• No, I was just thinking "aloud" that there may be much more material from Spanish/Tagalog/other sources to develop an article on one of the other Wikis that could then be translated for the English wiki. If you think it can be developed here, fine.Slowmover 19:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Wild and ill-thought-out accusations of systemic bias are both nonproductive and deflecting this AfD from the main issue, which is that this article is unverifiable. It says right there below the editing window that content must be verifiable. Yes, there is someone called Arsenio 'Butch' Baustista. There is no verifiable proof that Heminio Bautista is the same person. Believe me, I hunted for it. Proto||type 13:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

• Check out his IMDB page, which you said didn't exist. Compare the films with our article. Compare the nickname. However, you haven't explained why you felt entitled to call Butch Bautista a "minor actor" when you can't even verify he exists. The Filipino film industry is tricky and requires research before making these types of noms. We should be talking about how to improve our coverage of film industries and production in non-English speaking countries, not how to destroy it. -- JJay 18:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
• I'm going to withdraw this nomination. Once the AfD is withdrawn, I will move this article to Arsenio Bautista, as I believe the informaiton in the article refers to Arsenio, and not Herminio Bautista. Perhaps JJay and Monicasdude would like to lend their in-depth knowledge of the Filipino movie industry to trying to improve the quality of the coverage of this area. Trying to apply one of the Five pillars of Wikipedia in the face of hyperinclusionism is hardly Wikilawyering. Proto||type 11:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.