Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert Hoover Middle School (San Francisco)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, please defer merge discussion to article talk. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Herbert Hoover Middle School (San Francisco)

No assertion of notability. cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 19:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete All the students that go to Herbert Hoover Middle School are talented, gifted, and unique in their own way. For testing, the students are high and impressive especially when compared to other public schools in the city. The teachers are all qualified that gives their time and effort in teaching the students. The principal, Judy Dong and the staff are outstanding, excellent, and wonderful. Well, whoop dee do. Every school claims these exact same qualities. No assertion of how this school is notable. NeoChaosX [talk | contribs] 19:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Weak keep per Silensor's rewrite, but I'm not certain if famous alumni really do make a middle school notable (like it usually does for a high school). NeoChaosX [talk | contribs] 04:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

  Comment - I don't think it does, unless they did something notable while at the school. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 13:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable school. TJ Spyke 19:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete There seems to be a near-consensus on AfD that high schools are inherently notable, while elementary and middle schools are not (unless some special circumstance, such as a highly publicized incident, increases their notability). --Hyperbole 20:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above, not WP:NOTABLE. Hello32020 21:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per the reasons established at User:Silensor/Schools. This article does meet several criterion at WP:SCHOOLS as well, although this is just a proposed guideline. Silensor 22:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment And even though I'm in favor of keeping this one, I suppose I should make my obligatory comment about how I don't think that essay is persuasive and point to the rebuttal essay User:JoshuaZ/Schools.
• Keep per Silensor, especially given his rewrite of the article as a proper stub. --Myles Long 23:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per Silensor. bbx 23:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

*Weak keep Has a prominent alumnus. JoshuaZ 00:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Delete Per discussions here on on WP:SCHOOL a single minor notable alumn should not confer notability. JoshuaZ 14:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - There is a significant essential claim to notability possessed by any individual school that any individual corner store (or individual human or individual roach) will never have. While I agree that this does not mean that every school merits a Wikipedia article, this article is reasonably well-crafted and verifiably sourced (in its current state after Silensor's rewrite), and the fact that this school has a notable alumnus convinces me that it justifies being kept. Alansohn 00:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, but who gives a shit? It's going to be either a weak "keep" or a "no consensus- default to keep" anyway. Silensor, do you edit any articles that are not school-related? -- Kicking222 00:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Silensor does generally only edit school articles, however, the majority of those edits have been of a high caliber and often to schools which are prominent and would be agreed keeps anyways. In any event, the special interest of his editing is something which closing admins are aware of and will presumably weigh when considering his comments. That does not by itself alter whether or not his arguments are valid. JoshuaZ 02:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. It's a school where all the students are unique; how special. If none of the students were unique, that would be notable. Carlossuarez46 02:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: - I often complain that people vote to delete (or keep) without having seen -- let alone read -- the actual article in question. While it is often hard to confirm, the fact that the content used to justify this delete vote was not in the article at the time this delete was added here seems to be incontrovertible evidence that this individual read only this AfD, not the article itself. Alansohn 02:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the rewrite.  ALKIVAR™ 02:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with San Francisco Unified School District per proposed WP:SCHOOLS. — RJH (talk) 15:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into the article for the school district.Edison 20:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the content -- meets all relevant policies. No objection to reorganization. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge. Has a shaky claim to meet 1 criterion listed at the proposed WP:SCHOOL guideline. --Kuzaar^-T-C- 15:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge do not keep as an article. Vegaswikian 05:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as rewritten by Silensor, meets proposed inclusion guidelines. Yamaguchi先生 23:22, 9 October 2006

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.