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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was Merge into List of Advance Wars COs. (6M/3K) DES (talk) 18:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Hachi
He's the shopkeeper in the Advance Wars series. He doesn't have a part in the nascent story of the three games in that series, he has perhaps two dozen total lines of dialogue, and, oh yeah, he's an unlockable character in the versus mode. This article currently has no content that could be merged into another article, and any potential content that would go in this article would better belong in List of Advance Wars COs or the respective games' articles. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 04:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. He's playable in all modes, including Campaign. He has a backstory. I can make it longer than any Pokémon article. If a Dunsparce is considered notable, than Hachi can too. Dunsparce is a species, not even an individual character. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- While I'm not terribly enthusiastic about Dunsparce having its own article, it has appeared in at least nine games I can name, as well as two different anime series and a manga series. The same cannot be said for Hachi. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 04:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- At least he is a unique character that has something to say about him. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:52, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- While I'm not terribly enthusiastic about Dunsparce having its own article, it has appeared in at least nine games I can name, as well as two different anime series and a manga series. The same cannot be said for Hachi. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 04:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merge into the game he appears in or into that list. -- Kjkolb 06:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- It was already decided that the article would be too long to merge him there. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- It's worth mentioning that two people weighed in on the "debate" to merge this there, and one of them is me and the other is LttP. (It's not as if "it was already decided" by some sort of lengthy debate or RFC or something.) - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 06:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- It's the same with the editors, editors have been complying with the shortening of the character lists. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- ...huh? What are you talking about? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 07:12, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- In the history, other editors have been going along with this, only providing a paragraph of character information. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- I assumed that an article about a minor videogame character could be trimmed down and merged. -- Kjkolb 07:48, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- He isn't that minor of character. He has a decent enough backstory. Really, he doesn't deserve his own section on the game articles if others don't. I say, if Umaro can get his own article, there's nothing wrong with Hachi getting his own. He is immediately known to everyone who has played any of the AW games, at least, if they visit the Battle Maps store, which is available from the very beginning of each game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- He's the shopkeeper, has no story, and has no place in the story of those games. He's less important to Advance Wars than Shadowfax (who has an entry on Horses of Middle-earth list, mind) is to Lord of the Rings, and Advance Wars is no Lord of the Rings. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 22:12, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- He isn't that minor of character. He has a decent enough backstory. Really, he doesn't deserve his own section on the game articles if others don't. I say, if Umaro can get his own article, there's nothing wrong with Hachi getting his own. He is immediately known to everyone who has played any of the AW games, at least, if they visit the Battle Maps store, which is available from the very beginning of each game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- ...huh? What are you talking about? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 07:12, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- It's the same with the editors, editors have been complying with the shortening of the character lists. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- It's worth mentioning that two people weighed in on the "debate" to merge this there, and one of them is me and the other is LttP. (It's not as if "it was already decided" by some sort of lengthy debate or RFC or something.) - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 06:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- It was already decided that the article would be too long to merge him there. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merge with List of Advance Wars COs & trim. Notability of the character aside, the article reads like something from Gamefaqs and includes unencyclopedic minutiae (see Appearance section). --Anetode 11:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Huh? Since when did describing his appearance become unencyclopediatic? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- A detailed description of each item and accessory of clothing is a bit excessive, in that instance a picture is worth a thousand words. This is a minor character in a videogame (which is fictional, but not really a literary work) and should be merged with the aforementioned list as suggested in WP:FICT. Hachi's biographical details and purported motives would be better catalogued at Wikibooks, in a character faq. --Anetode 06:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Huh? Since when did describing his appearance become unencyclopediatic? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep playable character from a major series from a legendarily notable company. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- That seems to be a third-order claim to notability; Hachi is notable because he's connected to a thing that is connected to a thing with its own claim to notability. I don't necessarily disagree that Advance Wars is an encyclopedic subject, but not every single person and object in that series borrows on the series' notability. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 22:12, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merge per anetode. Jesse 17:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Too big to merge. Andrew pmk | Talk 00:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- This article has been swelled with trivia. Half of this article is a detailed description, GameFAQs-style, of his in-game abilities and how to unlock him and a description of his appearance. This article could easily be synthesized into two paragraphs in a list, by leaving the game-guide stuff to GameFAQs or Wikibooks. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:25, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Of course, describing many of Mario's abilities and their appearances is not trivial. Their unique abilities ARE encyclopediatic. Is the fact that Kanbei has more powerful units unencyclopediatic? - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:54, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Describing them in detail, down to percentage differences and the specific method for unlocking him in each game, is not encyclopedic. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 01:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Of course, describing many of Mario's abilities and their appearances is not trivial. Their unique abilities ARE encyclopediatic. Is the fact that Kanbei has more powerful units unencyclopediatic? - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:54, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- This article has been swelled with trivia. Half of this article is a detailed description, GameFAQs-style, of his in-game abilities and how to unlock him and a description of his appearance. This article could easily be synthesized into two paragraphs in a list, by leaving the game-guide stuff to GameFAQs or Wikibooks. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:25, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Truncate and merge. -Sean Curtin 05:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merge (or delete). There is simply not enough information about these CO's to warrant their own articles. Also, the people who actually care enough about the game to read these articles will already know the information, because they've played the game, so it fulfills no useful purpose.--Tjstrf 20:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merge. As per Wikipedia:Article size, size limit is less critical for list, which is what List of Advance Wars COs will become. If the article becomes too long, it is still possible to break into List of Orange Star/Blue Moon/Green Earth/Yellow Comet/Black Hole COs. -- ReyBrujo 21:45, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.
