Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Green Party of Canada Shadow Cabinet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete Green Party of Canada Shadow Cabinet, no consensus on the rest, so they will be kept by default. Yomangani^talk 15:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Green Party of Canada Shadow Cabinet, Bloc Québécois Shadow Cabinet, New Democratic Party Shadow Cabinet

Green Party of Canada Shadow Cabinet (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), Bloc Québécois Shadow Cabinet (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), New Democratic Party Shadow Cabinet (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Much of this, I feel, falls under WP:NOR. This isn't appropriate for Wikipedia, and is really original research. It's also unencyclopedic. GreenJoe 05:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, WP:NOR, so many shadow cabinets?? --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 14:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Verifiability/OR isn't the major problem here - you can find a list of these here for the NDP, and you can probably find the other lists. That leaves "unencyclopedic" as the reason (which is horribly vague), and to address Terence's concerns about there being multiple shadow cabinets, each opposition party's supposed to have one. ColourBurst 15:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete the above comment is right on. Verifiability is not the problem here, nor is this a matter of OR. Instead, the "shadow" cabinets of the various opposition parties (note that none of these is actually Her Majesty's Loyal opposition) are not particularly notable and certainly don't warrant a separate entry when they can be well covered at the main article space on the NDP, BQ, etc... Eusebeus 17:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• Rename "List of..." These are all just lists anyway. Eusebeus is right that we shouldn't cover these shadow cabinets, but having a list of the members of same is perfectly valid. JChap2007 19:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment As ColourBurst points these lists are entirely verifiable and are most definitely not Original Research [1];

[2] so that is not the issue at all. −What personally makes me a trifle nervous is that the nominator, who supports the Green Party (based on his user page [3]), and who has edited Green Party of Canada Shadow Cabinet, first tried to PROD the BQ and NDP pages but not the Green Party page. The same reasoning about NOR was used that time. I am glad to see that all the minor parties are here now though, so perhaps I am wrong to be a bit concerned. I think the information is very useful and should either be kept as is or merged into the NDP, BQ pages as Eusebeus suggests. --Slp1 01:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• • I did try to PROD the GPC shadow cabinet page. I figured they should all be in one place for a central debate. GreenJoe 02:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I see it now. An anon had deleted the Prod by the time I got there. I apologize. Sorry. --Slp1 02:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
      • No problem. :) GreenJoe 02:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep These pages contain relevent infomation that may be of use to people on Wikipedia, and the shadow postings are important in Canadian politics and are often mentioned in news reports on various issues. user: Carrottop 79 07:57, 16 November 2006
  • This user seems to edit mainly NDP-related articles. GreenJoe 05:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Green Party, Keep the rest. A "shadow cabinet" is a recognized party structure in the Canadian political system, and is certainly wikipedic (as opposed to encyclopedic - Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia). However, the Green Party doesn't have any seats in Parliament, and thus by definition can't have a shadow cabinet. -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 22:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
• Agree with Chabuk The BQ/NDP ones are real and made up of MP's from each party. The Greens don't have any MP's, therefore can't have a shadow cabinet. "Shadow Ministers" are the ones that ask the question in parliament to the ministers. Part of the Canadian system (if nobody got what I ment, keep BQ/NDP, delete Green Party). -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.