Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/G. Bakthavathsalam

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, default to keep. Sandstein 15:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] G. Bakthavathsalam

G. Bakthavathsalam (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Unreferenced resume, therefore having serious pov issues from the very outset and coming into conflict with Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Notability and verifiability are questionable, with only 1880 ghits on the surname itself. Plus we aren't told what his first name is. Contested prod. MER-C 05:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete almost qualifies for CSD:G11. It sounds too much like a resume and therefore conflict of interest is present. Plus the notability issue. James086 ^{Talk | Contribs} 05:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Neutral due to issues raised below, I'm reluctant because of the POV issues, if they get cleared up (or someone promises to do so) then Keep because he appears to have notibility. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 06:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all the above. Grutness...wha? 05:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Moving to neutral after the points raised below. Grutness...wha? 00:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, the prose of this article seems to be very similar to User:Kgashok who initially created the article. Speaking of which, that user page could stand some attention as well. User pages don't seem like the place for quiz results. wtfunkymonkey 06:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The userpage isn't that easy an MFD candidate, since one of the arguments used when nominating myspace pages on Wikipedia is that the user has very little or no encyclopedic contributions. Plus the user's last edit was 21 days ago - it needs to be two or three times that to be deletable. MER-C 12:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Kgashok is most probably G. Bakht's brother. Please refer to [1].Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Very, very glowing reviews, there, also non-notable. CattleGirl ^{talk | e@ | review me!} 09:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - Lots of south Indian bios dont have first names (see P. Chidambaram). And he earned the Padma Shri award. I added links to the article to assert notability, a bad quality article does not necessarily warrant deletion.Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Do we have a volunteer to get rid of this resume crap, then? The article, in it's current form, is unacceptable due to WP:NOT and WP:NPOV. I'd recommend a deletion and then a verified stub can be written. MER-C 03:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. .Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - this is just the man's resume. I am sure he is very successful but wp is not a resume service. meshach 18:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong and Speedy Keep I would like to tell few facts. I am afraid that the person who nominated has committed a lot of blunders

1. Many south Indians do not have first names. The G stands for the first letter of his father.
2. Bakthavathsalam is not a surname
3. Verifiability is established by [2]
4. He is notable per the award.  Doctor Bruno  19:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep He's not an average doctor. This physician gets regular media coverage at a national level, he's founded an eye hospital, and IMO he's one of the pioneers bringing Indian healthcare up to world standards. It needs cleaning up but he's certainly a reasonable addition to Category:Indian doctors. There should probably be a separate article too on K G Hospital. Mereda 11:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong Keep- This doctor is vey popular in South India. I had read a lot about him in many Medical journals. Nileena joseph ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 18:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Padma Shri = notable. Hornplease 22:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Appears to be notable and verifiable (Do a g-search for "G. Bakthavathsalam"). Article does need a rewrite, but that's not enough reason to delete. Kathy A. 01:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: I just did some cleanup to the article, and made it look as neutral and factual as possible. Also, google search

count does not determine how famous an Indian is :-).

Let me site an example here. Every kid in the Indian state of Kerala starts studying their language with a mention about Thunchath Ezhuthachan, who is the father of Malayalam Language. That maps to around 30,000,000 Keralites who knows this name. And the number of Google search results I get for same is this: "Results 1 - 10 of about 411 for thunchath ezhuthachan. (0.21 seconds)"

Simynazareth 06:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)simynazareth

• Keep: I'm satisfied by my own Google search that this person is notable enough within his society. James084 17:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. With apologies to others, it looks to me too much like someone's CV. Not, in my view, notably different from many other medical people who've set up clinics and who are not included in here. Being good at your job is not per se notable. I realise I'm taking a hard line here, but I don't feel comfortable with this article as it stands. Show us more precise and clearly differentiated notability, and I'll change my mind. WMMartin 18:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment A badly written article is not a criteria for deletion. It is a criteria for rewrite. He has not just set a "Clinic" Just because some one is not included here it does not mean that another person with similar credentials should not have an article (like just because one article exists, it is not a criteria for another keep). Notability is a subjective phenomenon and hence no can can PROVE notability (unlike verifiability which can be "shown"). Please read the links or do a search yourself. Media coverage in India is vastly different from Media Coverage in Western World. One Google Hit for a personality in India is equivalent to 100 Google Hits in Western world due to the language factor, different fonts used by vernacular newspapers and the simple fact that not all media in India have a web presence listing their articles  Doctor Bruno  12:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Statisfies WP:BIO per media coverage. If it looks too much like a CV, that means it needs to be re-worked, not deleted. --Oakshade 23:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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