Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fold system

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus for merge or deletion. Merges are not governed by AfD and anyone is free to try that in the normal way. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 15:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fold system

I originally proposed this article for deletion for being fancruft and not establishing notability. It was contested by User:Tailkinker1972 who left this note on the talk page:

"This page has been nominated for deletion, due to it being considered 'Fancruft'. I have looked it over, and am prepared to rebuff.

Wikipedia defines fancruft as, among other things, "material which is typically lacking in quality, selectively biased, of a poor nature and of interest only to a small audience in the respective field."

I feel that this article is free of bias. It most likely is of interest only to a small audience, but so do many other articles on the subject of Macross, including the other articles on Macross/Robotech technology. As for its quality or nature, I invite others to improve on the quality of the article, rather than merely slapping it with a deletion tag.

I invite discussion.

Tailkinker1972 23:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)."

The article was again proposed for deletion by User:Desertsky85451 with the concern of "device from fictional universe, check mergers." Thus, I am taking it to AFD. Khatru2 03:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I believe it clearly states at the beginning of the article that it's fictional. However, if someone has a page for Robotech technology, I suggest it and articles like it be moved there. --Hemlock Martinis 03:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Does every item or device from every fictional universe deserve its own page? DesertSky85451 03:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge and redirect There's got to be a bigger umbrella article this would fit under better. If not, there SHOULD be one... --Jayron32 05:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge and redirect along with Reflex Cannon and any other similar articles to a new article, perhaps Robotechnology. Information is certainly verifiable within canon (Japanese anime, dubbed anime and books alike), but probably not worth its own article. Confusing Manifestation 12:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Concur with User:ConMan -- suggest that a suitable editor be sought to initialise Robotechnology so that this can be merged -- Simon Cursitor 13:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

While I don't have easy enough access to the anime or time enough to start the article myself, I'll happily help once it's started, especially with references to the novels. Confusing Manifestation 13:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Hemlock. Robotech and Macross both satisfy notability guidelines in their own right, and this article isn't inherently different (at least, in nature) than warp drive. I don't think we're in a position to be arbitrors of which strain of fictional technology is worth keeping and which isn't, based solely on the size of a particular fanbase. Kevin 17:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• My decision wasn't based on the fanbase, but rather the amount of source material - Macross is a series of fixed length, and the fold drive is only significant in a few parts of it - the article says most of the things I can think of to say offhand about it. Besides that, there have been a lot of things said about the warp drive, in and out of the show, whereas I don't know if there's been that much external interest in the fold system that you could give much of an "in the real world" view. Confusing Manifestation 18:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect as per Confusing Manifestation. --Limetom 01:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions. -- RoninBK_ETC 04:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or merge should not be it's own article, and I question if it's even worthy to merge. -- Ned Scott 05:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per Confusing Manifestation. Good reasoning. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 01:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or Merge Warp drive has entered into popular culture. This ain't no warp drive. This stuff falls under fiction guidelines which suggests that they should be merged. I would also like to note that we shouldn't confuse the notability of a series with the notability of a plot device within the series. "Macross is notable. Fold system is part of Macross. Therefore, Fold system is notable." Is akin to saying "Alice is a lawyer. Alice thinks highly of Bob. Therefore, Bob must know the law." --Kunzite 01:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.