Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FizzBuzz (relist nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. --Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 22:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FizzBuzz

One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. Please consider the article on its own merits, and not on the fact that many articles of this type have been nominated today -- Saberwyn 10:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process. Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction. Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible? I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Also, the category listing didn't work because this sort of leg-work needs to be done on each drinking game article in turn. If some are verifiable and considered encyclopedic material by other editors, then the category delete is null and void. Vizjim 11:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. As a computer gaming exercise, plenty of books list it: [1] [2]. O'Reilly deems it interesting. As a drinking game, likely listed in the BarMeister's Big Book of Drinking Games, listed as "Buzz" in the Best Drinking Games Book Ever. With 250+ drinking game books listed in an Amazon search... --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 14:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOT a collection of instructions like this. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No assertion of notability. Brian G. Crawford 21:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOT a howto, including a repository of game rules. Just zis Guy you know? 21:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • {{sofixit}}. --badlydrawnjeff

• Comment. I presume that in referring to WP:NOT you are specifically talking about "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", point 8? This says, I quote - Instruction manuals - while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes. An article on this drinking game has the obvious potential to contain a) history and evolution of the game, b) its cultural significance, c) appearances in books, on TV shows, in films etc, and thus is more than simply a collection of rules (it doesn't matter if these things are not there or haven't been completed: the fact is, they could be inserted). However, the rules need to be included as otherwise it would be impossible to give a clear idea of the game - and I presume you are not arguing that the entries for Chess and Soccer should be deleted? Vizjim 11:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC) (WP:MEMES?) 00:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per O'Reilly and other computer programming coverage; encyclopedias have always included rules for notable games, and Wikipedia is WP:NOT limited by the limitations of paper encyclopedias.--Prosfilaes 04:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, provide citations of the confirmed example in a drinking book, list the java programming example as an external link -- Saberwyn 21:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A classic, and the natural follow-up to a good game of Fuzzy duck -- GWO
• Keep. Unfortunately, I cannot offer a verifiable source at the moment, but teaching seminars on teaching techniques sometimes recommend this game for middle school aged students. -user:rasd
• keep Dspserpico 18:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• weak delete Due to the point about this being an instruction manual. It seems to belong either in Wiktionary or perhaps as a two-sentence entry in "Drinking Games".Apollo 10:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.