Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Filip Stojanovski

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, kept. `'mikka (t) 01:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filip Stojanovski

This article does not satisfy WP:BIO policy regarding personal biography prominence. Em3rald 17:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom. The JPS^{talk to me} 17:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nomination Equendil 17:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Trebor 17:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. He sounds notable enough, if you read the article thoroughly. TruthbringerToronto 18:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. No project of importance is cited, while this person seems to be somewhat active online, he gets a few google hits, hardly unexpected given his activities, that's about it. Equendil 19:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Equendil, most Macedonian websites do not feature highly on Google, because (1) they are not in English; (2) they often are not optimized for search engines. If you check out search engines which are specialized for Macedonian content, such as [Pogodok], or [Najdi], you will find lots more articles about this particular person.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.220.220.126 (talk • contribs).

• Weak keep if expanded. Xyrael ^T 19:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO. Neither the article nor his website are indicative of substantial notability. Sandstein 21:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, vanity. Pavel Vozenilek 01:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete- while it's more than your usual garden variety vanity article, Mr. Stojanovski doesn't meet WP:BIO in my opinion. Reyk _YO! 07:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Macedonia is a small media market, and local celebrities and notable persons seldom get space in intl. media.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.220.220.229 (talk • contribs).
• Keep. Notable person good for Wikipedia inclusion. Carr
• Update: I deleted some of my previous replies because they no longer apply - the article has been updated, and I think it may qualify to stay as part of the Wikipedia. Of particular note is the part regarding computer game & national media attention. Em3rald 15:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment My vote stands, flash games are nothing special, and attention of national media apparently restricted to some "Ultimate Gamer" show on a highly specialized scifi TV channel for geeks, no offense meant to the geeks, I'm one. We're not talking about the designer of Doom here Equendil Talk 16:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The notability criteria for this person do apply - significant contributions to several fields in his country. It's not cool that smaller languages/cultures get less prominance on the web when compared to English/American, but if Wikipedia does not work around that sort of (unintended, but real) bias, who will? For example, Macedonian language has 2 Mil. speakers, English up to 500 times more; Macedonian WP has about 7K articles, the English WP around 170 times more. Do the people who are prominent within their community have to achieve same level of prominance in the English-speaking world to be listed? (BTW, I made the two unsigned comments above - I assumed they would have been signed automatically, sorry about that - but did not want to log on from an internet cafe, too unsafe in regard to password snooping.) Razvigor 13:o4. 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Why another keep if you're the same person ? As for the "bias", I don't know if it's not "cool" that smaller languages/cultures get less prominence on the web, but it certainly is natural, why would 2 million people get as much prominence as 500 millions ? Now *that* would be some bias. Finally, I don't see this person being prominent within Macedonia either. Active yes, but prominent ? What kind of name recognition does he have in Macedonia ? Equendil Talk 17:41, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Sorry for the keep, heading, I changed it to update if that's more appropriate for such an entry - if I attempted sockpuppeting, I would not disclose anyway, and would just pile up more "votes". Please be tolerant - I am learning the WP ropes as we talk. About the cultural bias, representatives of those 500 millions do get prominence. It's hard for small cultures to present their heritage outside their own community. For example, I bet the % of Albanian, Armenian, Serbian, Estonian... Catalan books translated into English is far smaller than English books translated into those languages. If you read Macedonian newspapers, you'll get more "information" about Paris Hilton's breast, than about local archeological discoveries, for example. This particular case is covered by the following WP criteria: contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field (software dev.); holding national office and influence on legislation (National Strategy); opionon maker receiving significant press coverage - a significant portion of articles dealing with information society in the Macedonian national media (press and TV) include his opinions. For instance, check out the webcast of talk-show Chumu on "Why Macedonians don't use the internet" (28.06.2005) on the website of the most popular national TV, A1. Sorry, I cannot provide direct link to the RA file, it opens in pop-up window with JS. Razvigor 11:18. 6 June 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.162.209.190 (talk • contribs).

• The above comment should be disregarded as it was added by 62.162.209.190 and a fake signature added.--Andeh 05:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Update How do you measure fame? Prysorra 15:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Your first edit, using Update in bold just like 62.162.209.190 loves to put. Hmmm.--Andeh 05:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete. Sorry for being weak in a relist :-) The only remotely notable claim is "quoted by print and electronic media"; would need to be pretty extensive quoting. The rest is just grandiose vanifluff (I could say much more such things about myself and I'm thoroughly non-notable. Can I write an article how I'm "active in civil society e-publishing volunteer projects", i.e. I occasionally edit Wikipedia? I too had program listings published in geek publications, ten years before this guy.) Weregerbil 09:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Update check the references of e-Publishing section for consequences of some of the projects he participated in from that area, both at home and abroad. Not only geek-oriented impact, for sure. Razvigor 19:27. 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. 62.162.209.190 states, "... holding national office and influence on legislation ...". It is unclear whether this editor is stating that Filip Stojanovski held political office, but if this is the case, then I think that alone would qualify for notoriety. I intend to find out. If anyone can clarify this, please do.Em3rald 14:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment being a Task Force member is not a political office, even though it influences politics: it's an expert advisory body that proposes policy solutions which were then voted on and approved by elected officials (ministers and MPs). Razvigor 19:27. 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per reasons stated by Razvigor above. --BrownHornet21 19:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BIO 68.32.34.152 21:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Vanity. And it's not because he is Macedonian. I would delete any similar content for Americans, but unfortunately I am outvoted. JoaoRicardo^talk 02:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete nn for en:wikipedia, maybe notable for mk:wikipedia. --MaNeMeBasat 10:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete as per MaNeMeBasat. Bwithh 20:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Hmmm, he seems like a nice guy and he's got a nice looking resume, but I don't see anything warranting an encyclopedia article here. Delete. ENpeeOHvee 05:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable in his country is established in the article. I don't think en Wikipedia should be limited to people who are notable in the English-speaking world. Aguerriero (talk) 16:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Tone seems a bit too breathless or fanboy-ish, but seems to squeak by on genuine notability. LotLE×talk 06:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. borderline notability within small country. `'mikka (t) 01:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.