Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ferdinand Rios

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ferdinand Rios

nn physician for wrestling promotion. A search for ("Ferdinand Rios" wwe) gets around 800 gits, but most of those are just repostings of stories where he explains the injuries (like "According to WWE physician Dr. Ferdinand Rios, Kennedy required more than 20 stitches to close the wound."). Has appeared briefly on camera a few times, but appears to fail WP:BIO Tony fanta 00:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unsourced, fails WP:V --RoninBK_ETC 05:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this guy is a character in a notable Professional Wrestling promotion, that's notable enough for me. Given that I can walk into the average supermarket and pick up a half dozen magazines, I suspect there's also more information on him, including whether or not he's a real doctor. Mister.Manticore 21:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment He isn't really a character, but he does appear on tv for brief periods on occasion if there is a medical issue that weaves into the storylines. I think the magazine analogy that you use is total crap as well. Tony fanta 07:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

He's a character. He appears on the show when it's appropriate. Fits my definition of wrestling character. That he's not on all the time means he is a minor character, which isn't surprising since he's not a wrestler, let alone a big name one. But is he any different from any of the other minor entries on World_Wrestling Entertainment roster ? I can't see how. Oh, and calling another editor's reasoning "total crap" is inappropriate as well. You can disagree without being uncivil. Mister.Manticore 14:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm right, and you're wrong, deal with it. They just have him on screen once in awhile if someones injury plays into a storyline, like stiching them up or giving a shot, for instance. On that roster page, I know for sure that 2 of the writers, Chris Dejoseph and Brian Gerwirtz have had their pages deleted, and they are probably more notable than this person. Being employed by the WWE does not garner instant notability. Tony fanta 15:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm right and you're wrong? That's not a convincing argument. Sorry. You might wish to leave such outbursts out of your replies. And while certainly being employed by the WWE doesn't garner notability, being on-screen in front of millions of people is another matter. It's be one thing if he was only on once, but the article itself indicates he's been on several times. That's more than enough notability for me. Mister.Manticore 22:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Tony, please remember WP:CIVIL. As Mister.Manticore said, you can disagree while remaining civil. - JNighthawk 16:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Is a prominant performer in the very popular World Wrestling Entertainment circus. --Oakshade 06:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, KrakatoaKatie 11:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: Notability of the subject matter is only one of the criteria that we must consider. This is a terrible, unsourced, POV disaster. I want sources, sources, sources, and I want them to tell me: (1) is this a real man's name or is this a fictional character protrayed on the wrestling "circus"? (2) Is the man who is playing the part a real doctor? Where was he educated and where did he work before coming to the wonderful and convincingly authentic world of professional wrestling? (3)Who is this man's agent or representative and what other acting roles does he play? (4) a brief synopsis of this character's role in the soap opera drama that is acted out on the stage of the wrestling shows. Without this basic information all we have is POV fansite nonsense. If it's not an encyclopedic article, then it belongs someplace else, not Wikipedia. OfficeGirl 23:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, all of those points are useful information, and should be included in the article. However, lacking sources on them, all we could do is say we don't know. This doesn't mean nobody knows, as it is quite possible that the community of professional wrestling afficiandos (of which there are many) may well have a great deal of knowledge on him, from reliable sources. At the least, I'd expect somebody with at least some established authority to say "No, that sort of thing doesn't exist at all" before I'd agree with deletion. Mister.Manticore 05:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep DXRAW 13:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete A list of appearances equal to that you may find on a fansite is not for Wikipedia. The fact that he also goes under a different name puts into account OfficeGirl's point whether he is in fact a character or not. BertieBasset 15:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per OfficeGirl's arguments - JNighthawk 16:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: Article has been expanded After searching WWE.com for the name Ferdinand Rios, I added all three of the results into the article. I also found two more thanks to Google. These articles quote Dr. Rios as a member of the WWE's medical staff. Whether or not any of the rest of the article is salveagable is still up for debate, but I would contend that the article could stay under WP:V --RoninBK_ETC 01:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Expanded further, rewriting to a more encyclopedic standard, and adding criticism article --RoninBK_ETC 02:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep krocker316
• Note: Dr. Rios has been refered to as the "Team Doctor" on WWE Television, on their website, and in their magagzines, he was seen peforming minor surgery on camera.

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